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I've just been given a PCN for loading on double yellows. Estate car, not commercial.
My delivery receipt is stamped 15:08, the ticket was 15:08 and the vehicle observed from 15:08 to 15:08.
I was recently told by a traffic warden that 10 minutes loading is allowed. Today's warden says otherwise. Who is right?
My delivery receipt is stamped 15:08, the ticket was 15:08 and the vehicle observed from 15:08 to 15:08.
I was recently told by a traffic warden that 10 minutes loading is allowed. Today's warden says otherwise. Who is right?
Google?
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/parking-...
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/100011/roads_par...
Sounds like a ticket was unreasonable if you were not blocking traffic?
http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/services/parking-...
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/info/100011/roads_par...
Sounds like a ticket was unreasonable if you were not blocking traffic?
Just appeal the ticket and send in the proof you were in the process of loading, they should cancel the ticket.
You have twenty minutes to load on unrestructed DYL, they tend to issue instant tickets to private cars but tend to "Observe" vans or trucks for 5 minutes before issuing a ticket.
You have twenty minutes to load on unrestructed DYL, they tend to issue instant tickets to private cars but tend to "Observe" vans or trucks for 5 minutes before issuing a ticket.
dacouch said:
Just appeal the ticket and send in the proof you were in the process of loading, they should cancel the ticket.
You have twenty minutes to load on unrestructed DYL, they tend to issue instant tickets to private cars but tend to "Observe" vans or trucks for 5 minutes before issuing a ticket.
I have challenged it with a copy of my delivery receipt, however I cannot find in the Highway Code the section that refers to allowable loading times.You have twenty minutes to load on unrestructed DYL, they tend to issue instant tickets to private cars but tend to "Observe" vans or trucks for 5 minutes before issuing a ticket.
13m said:
I have challenged it with a copy of my delivery receipt, however I cannot find in the Highway Code the section that refers to allowable loading times.
file:///C:/Users/Mike/Downloads/CivilEnforcementHandbookV2.pdf Page 5I get a lot of parking tickets while loading and the officers often do not understand the rules they are enforcing.
What they tend to do when you tell them you are allowed to load for 20 minutes is to tell you it's five minutes which is wrong. What they mean is that they will observe the van for five minutes to see if there is any loading and then issue a ticket. You then appeal it by proving you were loading.
The reason I think they told you a lower amount if time is they mean that they issue tickets immediately when they see private cars parked on DYL
13m said:
How does one not leave the vehicle unattended when delivering? Long arms?
Scene of crime:
A car parked unattended on double yellow lines attracts the attention of police, traffic wardens etc., Scene of crime:
You obviously gave no thought of the above, and therefore to leaving a note on your car’s windscreen etc,, advising any interested persons of why you were parked on double yellow lines.
Your vehicle was left unattended on double yellow lines, the same long enough for a traffic warden to be left unchallenged to write out and issue a PCN.
Wings said:
A car parked unattended on double yellow lines attracts the attention of police, traffic wardens etc.,
You obviously gave no thought of the above, and therefore to leaving a note on your car’s windscreen etc,, advising any interested persons of why you were parked on double yellow lines.
Your vehicle was left unattended on double yellow lines, the same long enough for a traffic warden to be left unchallenged to write out and issue a PCN.
Don't know where you live, but in essex, being parked on double yellow lines does NOT attract the attention of the police.You obviously gave no thought of the above, and therefore to leaving a note on your car’s windscreen etc,, advising any interested persons of why you were parked on double yellow lines.
Your vehicle was left unattended on double yellow lines, the same long enough for a traffic warden to be left unchallenged to write out and issue a PCN.
rambo19 said:
Don't know where you live, but in essex, being parked on double yellow lines does NOT attract the attention of the police.
There are very few places now in England where it is a police matter.The overwhelming majority of local authorities are CEAs.
The main exceptions are Cambridgeshire, Suffolk and large tracts of East Sussex and Oxfordshire.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
13m said:
I've just been given a PCN for loading on double yellows. Estate car, not commercial.
Your type of vehicle is the problem. Civil Enforcement Officers are always likely to pounce on non commercial vehicles.You are likely to have to be able to convince the LA that the load was sufficiently bulky to justify exemption.
Necessity rather than convenience.
13m said:
My delivery receipt is stamped 15:08, the ticket was 15:08 and the vehicle observed from 15:08 to 15:08.
The receipt doesn't show how long you were parked on the DYL prior to that.The observation time should be stated in the LA's enforcement policy document/CoP.
What is the contravention code on the PCN?
13m said:
I was recently told by a traffic warden that 10 minutes loading is allowed. Today's warden says otherwise. Who is right?
It makes no odds. CEOs don't make the rules, the LA does. If they are not following them though that's another matter.Red Devil said:
13m said:
My delivery receipt is stamped 15:08, the ticket was 15:08 and the vehicle observed from 15:08 to 15:08.
The receipt doesn't show how long you were parked on the DYL prior to that.The observation time should be stated in the LA's enforcement policy document/CoP.
What is the contravention code on the PCN?
All the times shown on the form are 15:08, time of contravention and observation time.
I would probably have been 5 minutes or so. One would have thought the LA would need to prove I was longer.
13m said:
Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours. Code 01.
All the times shown on the form are 15:08, time of contravention and observation time.
I would probably have been 5 minutes or so. One would have thought the LA would need to prove I was longer.
The key is "parked". The parking warden didn't know/believe you were unloading but presumably thought you had dropped in to get a coffee. As they thought you were parked there was no need to watch to ensure you were loading or unloading.All the times shown on the form are 15:08, time of contravention and observation time.
I would probably have been 5 minutes or so. One would have thought the LA would need to prove I was longer.
So supplying a copy of the delivery receipt as part of your appeal should prove you were unloading.
Chrisgr31 said:
The key is "parked". The parking warden didn't know/believe you were unloading but presumably thought you had dropped in to get a coffee. As they thought you were parked there was no need to watch to ensure you were loading or unloading.
So supplying a copy of the delivery receipt as part of your appeal should prove you were unloading.
It is necessary to be parked in order to load or offload. But we're getting into semantics.So supplying a copy of the delivery receipt as part of your appeal should prove you were unloading.
I had another parcel clearly visible on the passenger seat, had the warden wanted to he could have put two and two togther and arrived at the correct conclusion.
rambo19 said:
Don't know where you live, but in essex, being parked on double yellow lines does NOT attract the attention of the police.
Yep, just leave your hazard lights on and you can 'park' wherever the hell you like, seemingly 
- even in the middle of the road seems to be acceptable these days, as long as the hazards are a-blinking 
13m said:
It is necessary to be parked in order to load or offload. But we're getting into semantics.
I had another parcel clearly visible on the passenger seat, had the warden wanted to he could have put two and two togther and arrived at the correct conclusion.
So next time I want a Costa I park on double yellows leave a box on the passenger seat and the parking warden is meant to think I am delivering parcels? A better and easier solution would be to have s ign with firm logo on t saying Delivering parcelsI had another parcel clearly visible on the passenger seat, had the warden wanted to he could have put two and two togther and arrived at the correct conclusion.
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