Retraining ?

[covboy]

Is this really the answer for people who don't know what they are doing (or do they?) If they can't follow (seemingly) easy instructions on motorways, should they be driving at all?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38563380

[vonhosen]

Drivers seem to find it hard to follow easy instructions on any road on mass.
That's because they see the rules as getting in the way of what they want to do.
(I want to move faster, ignore the limit. I want to turn right here, ignore the no right turn sign. This queue is holding me up, I'll use the bus lane.I've just got to get some milk, ignore the parking restrictions).

[anonymous-user]

To be honest some of the use hard shoulder/don't use hard shoulder instructions are not always that clear and especially when you are keeping an eye on the gantries for the cheeky 50 limit in amongst all the 60s but far be it from me to intone that the intention is probably to confuse a few people.

[speedking31]

At last they have found a way to sweat the asset and realise a lot more income from managed motorways. After all, who could object to being better educated about what these pre-existing signs mean. I guess that the speed limit randomizer will now be applied to the red X as well to increase the take. Happy days

[rewc]

"The National Police Chiefs' Council said it wanted to create more awareness of the road rules and improve compliance with them."

Why not run campaigns to create more awareness prior to an offence being committed?

It could be very expensive for some learner drivers to undertake training on a smart motorway. I think the nearest one to Dorset will be the M3 section currently under construction.

[mmm-five]

...or it could be due to the signs not working correctly/in parallel as they were on the M6/M42 a week or two before Christmas.

There was a large sign stating "Congestion Use Hard Shoulder' and then there'd be a sign above the hard shoulder lane with a red X on it. I stayed clear of the hard shoulder just in case, but there were plenty of drivers happily trundling along it.

[speedking31]

I would assume that the red X takes priority. The "Use hard shoulder" is a general instruction, but a breakdown may still occur leading to the red X.

[Riley Blue]

vonhosen said:

Drivers seem to find it hard to follow easy instructions on any road on mass.
That's because they see the rules as getting in the way of what they want to do.

I saw multiple examples of this on the M25 just after Christmas. Lane 3 was closed due to an accident ahead with a red X showing on sign after sign to encourage traffic to move across to enable emergency vehicles to attend. I was in lane 2 and saw hundreds and hundreds of drivers ignoring the lane closed signs, some who had been waiting patiently in lane 2 got fed up and joined in; impatience got the better of them I suppose.

[Willy Nilly]

There aren't any of those Clunk click every trip adverts any more. Much better business to nab people on camera and charge the 100 quid than informing the ill informed before hand. Or just keep the hard shoulders.

[vonhosen]

rewc said:

"The National Police Chiefs' Council said it wanted to create more awareness of the road rules and improve compliance with them."

Why not run campaigns to create more awareness prior to an offence being committed?

It could be very expensive for some learner drivers to undertake training on a smart motorway. I think the nearest one to Dorset will be the M3 section currently under construction.

Have you not heard the adverts on the radio?

[Mill Wheel]

vonhosen said:

Have you not heard the adverts on the radio?

No. And I have the radio on from 8.00 am until 7.00 pm... BBC Radio Cumbria.

[vonhosen]

Mill Wheel said:

vonhosen said:

Have you not heard the adverts on the radio?

No. And I have the radio on from 8.00 am until 7.00 pm... BBC Radio Cumbria.

I repeatedly hear them on the radio.

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

Mill Wheel said:

vonhosen said:

Have you not heard the adverts on the radio?

No. And I have the radio on from 8.00 am until 7.00 pm... BBC Radio Cumbria.

I repeatedly hear them on the radio.

BBC don't take paid advertising only their own in house ste.
It has been all over commercial radio paid for by taxpayers to try and educated the stupid, I'm quite happy for them to be done and have to pay for their own education

[anonymous-user]

vonhosen said:

Drivers seem to find it hard to follow easy instructions on any road on mass.
That's because they see the rules as getting in the way of what they want to do.
(I want to move faster, ignore the limit. I want to turn right here, ignore the no right turn sign. This queue is holding me up, I'll use the bus lane.I've just got to get some milk, ignore the parking restrictions).

Have you ever been to Cambridge?
Loads of people been done by their money making racket with the bus lanes, one of the biggest carve ups known to motoring and it wasn't down to people trying to get anywhere quicker, it was down to Cambridge City Council's dislike for cars and putting up a load of money making traps to fleece the motorist.

[vonhosen]

speedyguy said:

vonhosen said:

Mill Wheel said:

vonhosen said:

Have you not heard the adverts on the radio?

No. And I have the radio on from 8.00 am until 7.00 pm... BBC Radio Cumbria.

I repeatedly hear them on the radio.

BBC don't take paid advertising only their own in house ste.
It has been all over commercial radio paid for by taxpayers to try and educated the stupid, I'm quite happy for them to be done and have to pay for their own education

I've heard it on commercial stations, BBC are unlikely to advertise it really.

[vonhosen]

Raygun said:

vonhosen said:

Drivers seem to find it hard to follow easy instructions on any road on mass.
That's because they see the rules as getting in the way of what they want to do.
(I want to move faster, ignore the limit. I want to turn right here, ignore the no right turn sign. This queue is holding me up, I'll use the bus lane.I've just got to get some milk, ignore the parking restrictions).

Have you ever been to Cambridge?
Loads of people been done by their money making racket with the bus lanes, one of the biggest carve ups known to motoring and it wasn't down to people trying to get anywhere quicker, it was down to Cambridge City Council's dislike for cars and putting up a load of money making traps to fleece the motorist.

I haven't driven through Cambridge, around but not through.
That might be true if it were only Cambridge & it was as if you say, but it's not only Cambridge. People doing what suits their purpose at the time rather than the keeping to the easy instructions is happening all over the place.

[Digby]

vonhosen said:

People doing what suits their purpose at the time rather than the keeping to the easy instructions is happening all over the place.

As is people trying to abide by rules and still falling foul. It's like the authorities just do what suits their purpose / budget all over the place.

[Boosted LS1]

kerching. No carrot, just stick.

[anonymous-user]

Boosted LS1 said:

kerching. No carrot, just stick.

The carrot is the education rather than points ? Where's the stick?, would you prefer to pay the 'Education cost' rather than the offender? Then transpose that across to a similar scenario for speeding. What would you offer as a carrot ?

[Cold]

speedyguy said:

The carrot is the education rather than points ? Where's the stick?, would you prefer to pay the 'Education cost' rather than the offender? Then transpose that across to a similar scenario for speeding. What would you offer as a carrot ?

A reduction in insurance costs for those who have attended such modern and up to date extra training. A bit like you get for Speed Awareness courses.

Oh.