30mph with repeater signs

[techmoan]

Anything wrong with the 30mph section of this road?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9277591,-1.57070...

It has the 2 entry signs although are they too small? Also the repeaters are only sporadic and don't seem to follow a set distance.

I seem to remember repeater signs no longer need to be a set distance apart, anyone know which law states this?

Thanks

[TooMany2cvs]

techmoan said:

Anything wrong with the 30mph section of this road?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9277591,-1.57070...

It has the 2 entry signs although are they too small? Also the repeaters are only sporadic and don't seem to follow a set distance.

I seem to remember repeater signs no longer need to be a set distance apart, anyone know which law states this?

What speed did they nick you for?

[agtlaw]

s.85(4) RTRA 1984 / TSRGD 2016 / Chapter 3 TSM / etc.

[techmoan]

agtlaw said:

s.85(4) RTRA 1984 / TSRGD 2016 / Chapter 3 TSM / etc.

This one luckily is not for me but a family member. They were caught with a laser being operated inside a police vehicle through the passenger window, police vehicle then pulled out after them and stopped them, reported for offence as speed to high to be dealt with by fixed penalty.

[speedking31]

As far as I can see the legislation is now quiet about repeater signs in 30 mph limits. The first link explains all. The rest I've posted because I had a quiet lunch to do a bit of research.

The horse's mouth

Traffic Signs Manual said

sign sizes 1.4 Table 14-1.
terminal signs 14.4
repeaters 14.22 reference direction 11(2)

TSRGD said

Schedule 10, no mention of repeater spacing.

Road Safety GB item

[parabolica]

Can't help you OP, but out of interest, are you the same Techmoan as on youtube?

[Red Devil]

techmoan said:

It has the 2 entry signs although are they too small?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/schedule/10/made
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... - table 14.1 on Page 114

techmoan said:

Also the repeaters are only sporadic and don't seem to follow a set distance.

I seem to remember repeater signs no longer need to be a set distance apart, anyone know which law states this?

Thanks

TSRGD 2016 gives the relevant authority discretion whether to have repeater signs.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/councils-get-ne...

AFAIK the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 has not been updated/rewritten, so where repeaters are provided the following still applies.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... - table 14.4 on Page 117
It only prescribes maximum distances between signs, not whether there has to be more than one.

[Johnnytheboy]

TooMany2cvs said:

What speed did they nick you for?

What a helpful, and drearily predictable response.

[mac96]

Johnnytheboy said:

TooMany2cvs said:

What speed did they nick you for?

What a helpful, and drearily predictable response.

I see your point, but it could be relevant. Would an argument for inadequate signage of the 30mph limit not be weakened if you are travelling faster than the limit you have just left (40mph in this case) or possibly the limit that would apply in the absence of a signposted limit (60mph)?

[herewego]

techmoan said:

agtlaw said:

s.85(4) RTRA 1984 / TSRGD 2016 / Chapter 3 TSM / etc.

This one luckily is not for me but a family member. They were caught with a laser being operated inside a police vehicle through the passenger window, police vehicle then pulled out after them and stopped them, reported for offence as speed to high to be dealt with by fixed penalty.

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

[KevinCamaroSS]

herewego said:

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

Policemen formed a view?

[4040vision]

KevinCamaroSS said:

herewego said:

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

Policemen formed a view?

Why would a policeman need to form a view? There is a laser with a speed measurement on it.

[Connectors]

4040vision said:

Why would a policeman need to form a view? There is a laser with a speed measurement on it.

techmoan said:

They were caught with a laser being operated inside a police vehicle through the passenger window

Have the rules changed on where a laser device can be operated? IIRC inside a vehicle was against the 'rules'?

[herewego]

4040vision said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

herewego said:

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

Policemen formed a view?

Why would a policeman need to form a view? There is a laser with a speed measurement on it.

Used through a window the reading would not be admissible.

[TooMany2cvs]

herewego said:

4040vision said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

herewego said:

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

Policemen formed a view?

Why would a policeman need to form a view? There is a laser with a speed measurement on it.

Used through a window the reading would not be admissible.

That may depend on whether the window was open or closed at the time.

[herewego]

TooMany2cvs said:

herewego said:

4040vision said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

herewego said:

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

Policemen formed a view?

Why would a policeman need to form a view? There is a laser with a speed measurement on it.

Used through a window the reading would not be admissible.

That may depend on whether the window was open or closed at the time.

Indeed, I stupidly thought that the reason he mentioned using the device through the window was that the window was closed. It could have just been a pointless comment so my bad for not asking was the window open or closed.

[agtlaw]

herewego said:

4040vision said:

KevinCamaroSS said:

herewego said:

Was the speed also recorded in some other way?

Policemen formed a view?

Why would a policeman need to form a view? There is a laser with a speed measurement on it.

Used through a window the reading would not be admissible.

Source: The Internet

[Connectors]

agtlaw said:

Source: The Internet

Ironic.

[SS2.]

Connectors said:

Have the rules changed on where a laser device can be operated? IIRC inside a vehicle was against the 'rules'?

What 'rules' ?

[48k]

The Internet said:

HantsRat said:

surveyor_101 said:

Is it in the type approval to shoot through windscreen or window?

We simply put the window down. They won't work through glass, well they can get readings still but only at a very short range and they're not approved to be used through glass.