Britain's longest trial
Britain's longest trial
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Speed 3

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5,277 posts

149 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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....criminal trial....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39869370

Surely there has to be a way to avoid this scale of cost ? Why was so much evidence/deliberation required ? At what point do CPS do an economic project of the likely cost, or is their remit purely on chance of success for public interest ?


esxste

4,292 posts

136 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Should the cost of prosecuting a crime be a factor in the decision to prosecute?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Speed 3 said:
....criminal trial....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39869370

Surely there has to be a way to avoid this scale of cost ? Why was so much evidence/deliberation required ? At what point do CPS do an economic project of the likely cost, or is their remit purely on chance of success for public interest ?
320 days of evidence. 29 charges, so just over 10 days of evidence per charge. All complicated charges - fraudulent debt-recovery/equity-release schemes, with false identities and various other allegations.

<shrug> What's the alternative? Say "Ah, soddit - too hard, let 'em get away with it"? Or just presume that they're guilty?

anonymous-user

84 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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It's unusual but I like the idea complex fraudsters can be brought to justice.

Cost forms a part of the 'public interest' element i.e. this is the one for the CPS (it's not the CPS in Scotland but I imagine they operate in a similar manner):

Public interest consideration said:
The cost to the CPS prosecution service and the wider criminal justice system, especially where it could be regarded as excessive when weighed against any likely penalty (Prosecutors should not decide the public interest on the basis of this factor alone. It is essential that regard is also given to the public interest factors identified when considering the other questions in paragraphs 4.12 a) to g), but cost is a relevant factor when making an overall assessment of the public interest).
https://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/code_for_crown_prosecutors/codetest.html

55palfers

6,380 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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Glad I'm not on Jury Duty for that.

Who could get that much time out of work?

lukeharding

3,687 posts

119 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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55palfers said:
Glad I'm not on Jury Duty for that.

Who could get that much time out of work?
You'd have forgotten what your job is!

Speed 3

Original Poster:

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149 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
320 days of evidence. 29 charges, so just over 10 days of evidence per charge. All complicated charges - fraudulent debt-recovery/equity-release schemes, with false identities and various other allegations.

<shrug> What's the alternative? Say "Ah, soddit - too hard, let 'em get away with it"? Or just presume that they're guilty?
But what effect does the 29 individual charges give - I see concurrent sentencing all the time so why not just concentrate on a handful that need to be scrutinised in court and add in the "other likely cases of guilt" card for sentencing ? Get the case over in a few months for the same outcome.

davemac250

4,499 posts

235 months

Tuesday 16th May 2017
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There was a proposal to do away with juries in Fraud and similar trials and move to three judges as in appeal court to avoid just this.

Guess it went nowhere.

bloomen

10,119 posts

189 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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What is it with fraud and interminable length?

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

162 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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How does any juror maintain the necessary level of concentration for that period of time?

£7.5m is chicken feed compared to the £60m blown on the " London Underground Jubilee Line case" referred to in the article.

s3fella

10,524 posts

217 months

Wednesday 17th May 2017
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V8 Fettler said:
How does any juror maintain the necessary level of concentration for that period of time?

£7.5m is chicken feed compared to the £60m blown on the " London Underground Jubilee Line case" referred to in the article.
Sadly though one has to ask the question as to whether it is wise to have a 7.5MM trial with £2.4M legal aid to prosecute a fraud by him of £1.6Mil and her less than £200k.

Of course the answer is, they may have carried on and need to be a warning to others etc. £2.4M legal aid though?