Ridiculous Parking "Fine" With No Ticket
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Usual story, girlfriend parked her car in some spaces outside shops and when she returned a passer-by told her someone had been taking photos of it.
This letter arrived a while later demanding £160. It mentions a PCN was sent and ignored. We received no such thing. Ive googled the company and it seems that is a common occurrence.
It was a free carpark requiring no tickets or payment, so my question is, do they have a case for demanding £160??
This letter arrived a while later demanding £160. It mentions a PCN was sent and ignored. We received no such thing. Ive googled the company and it seems that is a common occurrence.
It was a free carpark requiring no tickets or payment, so my question is, do they have a case for demanding £160??
Vipers said:
If everything you say is true and above board, obviously not applicable, I would take photos of said space, and all accompanying posters etc.
Especially any saying that the space is for disabled badgeholders only, since the letter says "Parking event: No valid disabled badge on display"It was the car park for here, I assume?
https://goo.gl/maps/ZHoBgCRJxyq
Is she absolutely, definitely, 100%, hand-on-heart positive that she wasn't in a disabled bay...? And that the photos couldn't possibly show otherwise...?
TooMany2cvs said:
Especially any saying that the space is for disabled badgeholders only, since the letter says "Parking event: No valid disabled badge on display"
It was the car park for here, I assume?
https://goo.gl/maps/ZHoBgCRJxyq
Is she absolutely, definitely, 100%, hand-on-heart positive that she wasn't in a disabled bay...? And that the photos couldn't possibly show otherwise...?
Thats the right place, Ive just been looking at the same view on Google Maps.It was the car park for here, I assume?
https://goo.gl/maps/ZHoBgCRJxyq
Is she absolutely, definitely, 100%, hand-on-heart positive that she wasn't in a disabled bay...? And that the photos couldn't possibly show otherwise...?
Im going to check tonight what signage is there.
Adz The Rat said:
Im going to check tonight what signage is there.
I'll bet the one by the chimney, at the roundabout as you go in, is rather relevant.Make sure you know EXACTLY which bay she was parked in... Can't see what's behind the Tesco, but there seem to be plenty of big signs in the parking areas to the right of the roundabout.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Wednesday 7th June 16:12
TooMany2cvs said:
I'll bet the one by the chimney, at the roundabout as you go in, is rather relevant.
Make sure you know EXACTLY which bay she was parked in... Can't see what's behind the Tesco, but there seem to be plenty of big signs in the parking areas to the right of the roundabout.
You would be correct, there are spaces there. Its a long time since Ive been so Im not sure on signage so I will go check before starting any appeal.Make sure you know EXACTLY which bay she was parked in... Can't see what's behind the Tesco, but there seem to be plenty of big signs in the parking areas to the right of the roundabout.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Wednesday 7th June 16:12
Thanks.
As per stoofa
If the site where she parked is local take pics of any signs and then do the following TO THE LETTER
DO NOT in any way contact the sender of the letter
log on to pepipoo.com and put this in the private parking and clamping forum
Write up EXACTLY what has happened but DONT say who was driving .
it is ALWAYS 'the DRIVER DID THIS' the DRIVER SAW THAT, etc
and once they have a name you have less of a bargaining position.
REMEMBER you are under NO LEGAL requirement to tell them who was driving at anytime, despite what they claim, only the police have this power
The only time this does not apply if it is a lease or hire car then get on to pepipoo and ask for the correct procedure as the company may just pay it and then invoice YOU,
Put up the letter on the log with all identifying parts redacted
Tell the guys EXACTLY what has happened, and if they ask any questions answer them truthfully and dont fudge anything.
Do EXACTLY what they tell you to do, and you wont have to pay a penny in most cases
The other way is Pay these rapacious firms the money
It is your choice. Bear in mind that most of these firms used to do the clamping before it was outlawed, so they want the money anyway they can
Also ignore all let,the guys who know what what to do are Gan,Lynnzer , Schoolrunmum, the rookie, hcanderson ,in fact anyone with a large posting total
And keep us informed on what happens
The more people who are told that these are just 'invoices' and not Fines, only Courts and Councils can levy fines
I am all for parking charges but not how these guys do it
Best Wishes
And if you want a good example of what they get up to look at the threads on the airports at Newcastle Liverpool and East Midlands. a good read
If the site where she parked is local take pics of any signs and then do the following TO THE LETTER
DO NOT in any way contact the sender of the letter
log on to pepipoo.com and put this in the private parking and clamping forum
Write up EXACTLY what has happened but DONT say who was driving .
it is ALWAYS 'the DRIVER DID THIS' the DRIVER SAW THAT, etc
and once they have a name you have less of a bargaining position.
REMEMBER you are under NO LEGAL requirement to tell them who was driving at anytime, despite what they claim, only the police have this power
The only time this does not apply if it is a lease or hire car then get on to pepipoo and ask for the correct procedure as the company may just pay it and then invoice YOU,
Put up the letter on the log with all identifying parts redacted
Tell the guys EXACTLY what has happened, and if they ask any questions answer them truthfully and dont fudge anything.
Do EXACTLY what they tell you to do, and you wont have to pay a penny in most cases
The other way is Pay these rapacious firms the money
It is your choice. Bear in mind that most of these firms used to do the clamping before it was outlawed, so they want the money anyway they can
Also ignore all let,the guys who know what what to do are Gan,Lynnzer , Schoolrunmum, the rookie, hcanderson ,in fact anyone with a large posting total
And keep us informed on what happens
The more people who are told that these are just 'invoices' and not Fines, only Courts and Councils can levy fines
I am all for parking charges but not how these guys do it
Best Wishes
And if you want a good example of what they get up to look at the threads on the airports at Newcastle Liverpool and East Midlands. a good read
If they are relying on POFA 2012 to hold the keeper liable, they are stuffed - that's not a Notice to keeper, and from my many previous conversations with UCS, they are very easy to tie in knots.
Personally, I'd send a very succinct letter back to them asking if they are relying on POFA 2012 for keeper liability and await their response. They are already timed out for holding the keeper liable, and I know also that they work on a "send more letters and hope it gets paid" business model.
Personally, I'd send a very succinct letter back to them asking if they are relying on POFA 2012 for keeper liability and await their response. They are already timed out for holding the keeper liable, and I know also that they work on a "send more letters and hope it gets paid" business model.
S11Steve said:
If they are relying on POFA 2012 to hold the keeper liable, they are stuffed - that's not a Notice to keeper, and from my many previous conversations with UCS, they are very easy to tie in knots.
Personally, I'd send a very succinct letter back to them asking if they are relying on POFA 2012 for keeper liability and await their response. They are already timed out for holding the keeper liable, and I know also that they work on a "send more letters and hope it gets paid" business model.
Pretty much what Peppioo said too, thanks.Personally, I'd send a very succinct letter back to them asking if they are relying on POFA 2012 for keeper liability and await their response. They are already timed out for holding the keeper liable, and I know also that they work on a "send more letters and hope it gets paid" business model.
"I am the registered keeper of vehicle xxxxx. Reference to your letter reference xxxxxx dated 18/05/2017, which is the first notification I have received. There can be no keeper liability for the parking event mentioned as there has been a failure to conform to the requirements of POFA, namely, but not limited to, delivering the Notice to Keeper to the keeper within 14 days. The Notice has been passed to the driver for action but I will not be naming the driver as there is no legal requirement to do so. I do not expect to hear from you again, except to confirm, within 21 days, that you have removed my details from your records. Take this as a request under section 10 of the DPA."
Will get it off tomorrow.
Adz The Rat said:
Sebring440 said:
Now, hand on heart, did she park in a disabled bay (and she's not disabled)?
Yes. I know, no sympathy from me either. But I don't think it warrants shelling out £160.I wonder if the photos will also show the penalty on the windscreen...
TooMany2cvs said:
So, basically, it's bang to rights, and the photos WILL show that she was in a disabled bay.
I wonder if the photos will also show the penalty on the windscreen...
Nothing left on the windscreen at all.I wonder if the photos will also show the penalty on the windscreen...
And the point still stands, can they charge a £160 "fine" for not displaying a badge?
Adz The Rat said:
Nothing left on the windscreen at all.
And the point still stands, can they charge a £160 "fine" for not displaying a badge?
If their terms state you must display a disabled badge to park in a disabled bay then yes their charge/invoice stands. It will probably mention this on the signs in the car park. And the point still stands, can they charge a £160 "fine" for not displaying a badge?
HantsRat said:
If their terms state you must display a disabled badge to park in a disabled bay then yes their charge/invoice stands. It will probably mention this on the signs in the car park.
Even though its a free car park and no loss has been made?I understand its not the done thing to park in a disabled space without a badge so no need for the rolling eyes, Im just asking in a legal sense if this stands?
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