PCN, Wrong Registration...
Discussion
Morning All,
Just came to pay a PCN I picked up from the local council on the weekend for overstaying my welcome. Turns out the enforcement dude has typed my registration wrong into his little computer.
Had a search around and nothing similar since a 2010 thread... how does the law look these days?
Options Seem to be..
Pay Up, it was a fair cop, just put the "wrong" reg' into the website, council has got final salary pensions to fund after all, every little helps.
Ignore it, they will have a hard time chasing it?
or possibly
The ticket is actually invalid, they can chase all they like but it'll never stand up.
Cheers
Just came to pay a PCN I picked up from the local council on the weekend for overstaying my welcome. Turns out the enforcement dude has typed my registration wrong into his little computer.
Had a search around and nothing similar since a 2010 thread... how does the law look these days?
Options Seem to be..
Pay Up, it was a fair cop, just put the "wrong" reg' into the website, council has got final salary pensions to fund after all, every little helps.
Ignore it, they will have a hard time chasing it?
or possibly
The ticket is actually invalid, they can chase all they like but it'll never stand up.
Cheers
kersAs above, there will be evidential photographs taken of the vehicle, so in theory they should be able to double check the details.
If the windscreen ticket is ignored, then the council will contact the DVLA for the RK details, and this is where it will start to unravel. Chances are that they will send the Notice to Keeper to the wrong vehicle - it's mainly an automated process, and at this point there is isn't some public sector admin dude cross checking all the details, however when the RK of the incorrect vehicle gets the ticket and makes a representation against it, that is when the council will look at the photos and see their mistake, and then resend the correct the one out.
It's debatable whether the wrong reg on a PCN is enough to get it cancelled though, but depending on what type of ticket is issued and under which legislation, the Notice to Keeper may have gone beyond the statutory time limits.
If the windscreen ticket is ignored, then the council will contact the DVLA for the RK details, and this is where it will start to unravel. Chances are that they will send the Notice to Keeper to the wrong vehicle - it's mainly an automated process, and at this point there is isn't some public sector admin dude cross checking all the details, however when the RK of the incorrect vehicle gets the ticket and makes a representation against it, that is when the council will look at the photos and see their mistake, and then resend the correct the one out.
It's debatable whether the wrong reg on a PCN is enough to get it cancelled though, but depending on what type of ticket is issued and under which legislation, the Notice to Keeper may have gone beyond the statutory time limits.
S11Steve said:
As above, there will be evidential photographs taken of the vehicle, so in theory they should be able to double check the details.
If the windscreen ticket is ignored, then the council will contact the DVLA for the RK details, and this is where it will start to unravel. Chances are that they will send the Notice to Keeper to the wrong vehicle - it's mainly an automated process, and at this point there is isn't some public sector admin dude cross checking all the details, however when the RK of the incorrect vehicle gets the ticket and makes a representation against it, that is when the council will look at the photos and see their mistake, and then resend the correct the one out.
It's debatable whether the wrong reg on a PCN is enough to get it cancelled though, but depending on what type of ticket is issued and under which legislation, the Notice to Keeper may have gone beyond the statutory time limits.
Absolutely right but with the automated process and time limits I would say that the chances are that if he ignores the ticket the op is unlikely to hear anything.If the windscreen ticket is ignored, then the council will contact the DVLA for the RK details, and this is where it will start to unravel. Chances are that they will send the Notice to Keeper to the wrong vehicle - it's mainly an automated process, and at this point there is isn't some public sector admin dude cross checking all the details, however when the RK of the incorrect vehicle gets the ticket and makes a representation against it, that is when the council will look at the photos and see their mistake, and then resend the correct the one out.
It's debatable whether the wrong reg on a PCN is enough to get it cancelled though, but depending on what type of ticket is issued and under which legislation, the Notice to Keeper may have gone beyond the statutory time limits.
bad company said:
Absolutely right but with the automated process and time limits I would say that the chances are that if he ignores the ticket the op is unlikely to hear anything.
Depends if the other registration is valid or not - if the DVLA come back with "not recognise, please check the details" then they will probably look at the photos. If it is a genuine plate, then the keeper of that vehicle is likely to contest it and that will flag it up for investigation. We've been on both ends, receiving PCNs for vehicles we don't have, and also getting PCNs months after the event because they had the wrong details at the early stages.Again, not knowing what type of PCN and where it was issued, there a couple of different laws it could have been issued under - some have statutory time limits, others suggest timescales.
NotBenny said:
Drumroll said:
a couple of years ago when I was using a company van I successfully appealed a PCN as they had but the wrong registration on.
What were the grounds for your appeal? Might not be something the OP can use but worth knowing!Thanks all for advice,
It was 100% intended for my car, two letters at the end of the reg swapped over in error. Make/Model/Colour all correct.
I've decided to just pay the thing, it was a fair cop, I "earned" the ticket, and frankly it's not worth the ball-ache of speaking with the council for the sake of £35, and the risk of it rising to £70 if I dont stump up and they track me down at a later date, I'm sure they do have photos of the car and it would only take 30 seconds for someone to put two and two together and realise the issue.
There doesnt seem to be much out there other than anecdotes about the validity of the ticket, even if the reg' is wrong on it, the offence still took place, and I'll have a clear conscience and not be wriggling out via a loophole.
I hope the council spend my/their £35 wisely!
It was 100% intended for my car, two letters at the end of the reg swapped over in error. Make/Model/Colour all correct.
I've decided to just pay the thing, it was a fair cop, I "earned" the ticket, and frankly it's not worth the ball-ache of speaking with the council for the sake of £35, and the risk of it rising to £70 if I dont stump up and they track me down at a later date, I'm sure they do have photos of the car and it would only take 30 seconds for someone to put two and two together and realise the issue.
There doesnt seem to be much out there other than anecdotes about the validity of the ticket, even if the reg' is wrong on it, the offence still took place, and I'll have a clear conscience and not be wriggling out via a loophole.
I hope the council spend my/their £35 wisely!
ILoveMondeo said:
There doesnt seem to be much out there other than anecdotes about the validity of the ticket, even if the reg' is wrong on it, the offence still took place, and I'll have a clear conscience and not be wriggling out via a loophole.
I hope the council spend my/their £35 wisely!
Admirable attitude - I've spent hours dealing with a FoTL idiot about parking his rented van on double yellows - because there was a small pothole repair patch on one of the lines, he claimed it wasn't valid as the lines were not continuous.I hope the council spend my/their £35 wisely!
I've spent way too much time on what was a £35 matter that was genuinely issued within all the legal requirements.
Stoofa said:
Eegads, usual Pistol Heads replies containing misinformation, bad information and stories.
Please go and post on Pepipoo - you truly are 100x more likely to get the correct response. Not saying you will necessarily like the response, but it will be the correct one.
Really? What information was wrong???Please go and post on Pepipoo - you truly are 100x more likely to get the correct response. Not saying you will necessarily like the response, but it will be the correct one.
V40TC said:
You should have made informal appeal,
that stops the Double the Price clock till they respond.
they then sent me a picture of vehicle commiting the parking offence.
I would say correct and I have done this before in a similar admin mistake scenario as the OP.that stops the Double the Price clock till they respond.
they then sent me a picture of vehicle commiting the parking offence.
Worst case scenario is that you pay the discounted fine if (and when they probably would) send you the photo...
Stoofa said:
NotBenny said:
Drumroll said:
a couple of years ago when I was using a company van I successfully appealed a PCN as they had but the wrong registration on.
What were the grounds for your appeal? Might not be something the OP can use but worth knowing!Also appealed one (same location) on the grounds that the lines were broken. Didn't get anywhere with that one.
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