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Got a parking charge notice from Britannia Parking through the post on Thursday, first we'd heard of it, saying we'd parked in a local supermarket car park and failed to make a valid payment. NO parking notice or ticket was stuck on the car at the time of the alleged offence.
It would seem that they can just make this up. Yes there's a photo of the front and back of my car but no proof of if it was parked or when this occurred.
Now I'm not being holier than thou, but this is my wife's car and she is fanatical about paying parking fees since I got a parking fine a few years ago. She even pays in car parks late in the evening "just to be on the safe side" and she's vehemently convinced that she just wouldn't do it. I'm also a town councillor in this town and I just know she wouldn't have not paid.
Also spoke to the local council and they say they've heard of a few scams re parking tickets but since this was a private car park can't get involved.
Anyone any suggestions please
It would seem that they can just make this up. Yes there's a photo of the front and back of my car but no proof of if it was parked or when this occurred.
Now I'm not being holier than thou, but this is my wife's car and she is fanatical about paying parking fees since I got a parking fine a few years ago. She even pays in car parks late in the evening "just to be on the safe side" and she's vehemently convinced that she just wouldn't do it. I'm also a town councillor in this town and I just know she wouldn't have not paid.
Also spoke to the local council and they say they've heard of a few scams re parking tickets but since this was a private car park can't get involved.
Anyone any suggestions please
LOg onto pepipoo.com snd put this in the private parking and clamping thread
AND be totally honest, and when putting up the original post on there DO NOT give an inkling as to who was driving..
JUst the driver did this
The driver saw that
The PPC only wants your money and will go to any lengths..Threatograms etc. The guys at pepipoo will help you not pay them a penny if possible
So the choice is yours send someone 60/100 for a speculative invoice, or try and keep in in your pocket and treat the OH a good meal
AND be totally honest, and when putting up the original post on there DO NOT give an inkling as to who was driving..
JUst the driver did this
The driver saw that
The PPC only wants your money and will go to any lengths..Threatograms etc. The guys at pepipoo will help you not pay them a penny if possible
So the choice is yours send someone 60/100 for a speculative invoice, or try and keep in in your pocket and treat the OH a good meal
ColinM50 said:
Got a parking charge notice from Britannia Parking through the post on Thursday, first we'd heard of it, saying we'd parked in a local supermarket car park and failed to make a valid payment. NO parking notice or ticket was stuck on the car at the time of the alleged offence.
It would seem that they can just make this up. Yes there's a photo of the front and back of my car but no proof of if it was parked or when this occurred.
Now I'm not being holier than thou, but this is my wife's car and she is fanatical about paying parking fees since I got a parking fine a few years ago. She even pays in car parks late in the evening "just to be on the safe side" and she's vehemently convinced that she just wouldn't do it. I'm also a town councillor in this town and I just know she wouldn't have not paid.
Also spoke to the local council and they say they've heard of a few scams re parking tickets but since this was a private car park can't get involved.
Anyone any suggestions please
You can find out a lot of what you need from pepipoo, the money saving expert thread and parking prankster.It would seem that they can just make this up. Yes there's a photo of the front and back of my car but no proof of if it was parked or when this occurred.
Now I'm not being holier than thou, but this is my wife's car and she is fanatical about paying parking fees since I got a parking fine a few years ago. She even pays in car parks late in the evening "just to be on the safe side" and she's vehemently convinced that she just wouldn't do it. I'm also a town councillor in this town and I just know she wouldn't have not paid.
Also spoke to the local council and they say they've heard of a few scams re parking tickets but since this was a private car park can't get involved.
Anyone any suggestions please
However, the sites can confuse because there are a number of different circumstances in which you can win a PCN.
Happy to help with guidence.
First you need to understand some facts.
1. Parking on private land operated by a PC is covered by contract law. What you have received is an invoice.
2. The PC will have cameras and have taken pictures as the car entered and exited the parking.
3. Since the PC do not know who the driver is they cannot purse them for payment (see comment below).
4. The PC have obtained the registered keeper from the DVLA and sent them the invoice. The RF can be liable for the invoice but for that to happen the invoice must by statute contain specific details.
So if you want to fight the invoice your first step is to appeal the invoice to the PC. At this stage you can just appeal on one issue. Based on your disruption of the invoice it clearly does not meet the requirements for RK liability. One of the web sites above will have examples of appeals on this basis. Do not in any circumstances say who was driving.
Send off in the time limit by recorded posting (it's free).
The appeal will be rejected. You will then be offered the option to appeal to an "independent" company. Revisit then and we can agree the step.
The other thing worth doing now is to revisit the car park and take pictures of the notices and make a plan.
Two other points.
1. This PC will tell you the can enforce an invoice against the RK on the assumption they where the driver. They have lost in court every time it has been challenged.
2. You will get lots of demands for payment of the invoice from debt collectors. You can bin these.
Private parking charges aren't worth the paper they're written on. Just ignore it and go on with your life. You will continue to receive demand letters, even given opportunities to 'pay now at reduced rate', then you will receive threats of court action where they cite some "landmark" case where a private parking company successfully won in court (one in a million chance).
These letters will continue for 6 months, maybe even a hear. These companies eventually give up (probably after spending more than the fine's value in letters, postage costs, payment to the DVLA to access registered keeper information). Just continue to throw them straight into the bin (you'll begin to recognise who the letter is from and just throw it away without a thought).
Job done. Don't stress about it and don't pay any fines.
These letters will continue for 6 months, maybe even a hear. These companies eventually give up (probably after spending more than the fine's value in letters, postage costs, payment to the DVLA to access registered keeper information). Just continue to throw them straight into the bin (you'll begin to recognise who the letter is from and just throw it away without a thought).
Job done. Don't stress about it and don't pay any fines.
Edited by andy101093 on Sunday 30th July 17:59
andy101093 said:
Private parking charges aren't worth the paper they're written on. Just ignore it and go on with your life. You will continue to receive demand letters, even given opportunities to 'pay now at reduced rate', then you will receive threats of court action where they cite some "landmark" case where a private parking company successfully won in court. These letters will continue for 6 months, maybe even a year. Just continue to throw them straight into the bin (you'll begin to recognise who the letter is from and just throw it away without a thought).
Job done. Don't stress about it and don't pay any fines.
Terrible, terrible advice. Job done. Don't stress about it and don't pay any fines.
Play the game. Get on Pepipoo. Do the appeals, jump through their hoops, allow the tossers to screw themselves over.
There is a very real, possible threat of them taking you to court, however unlikely. Allow them to take that off the table due to their ineptitude.
andy101093 said:
Private parking charges aren't worth the paper they're written on. Just ignore it and go on with your life. You will continue to receive demand letters, even given opportunities to 'pay now at reduced rate', then you will receive threats of court action where they cite some "landmark" case where a private parking company successfully won in court (one in a million chance).
These letters will continue for 6 months, maybe even a hear. These companies eventually give up (probably after spending more than the fine's value in letters, postage costs, payment to the DVLA to access registered keeper information). Just continue to throw them straight into the bin (you'll begin to recognise who the letter is from and just throw it away without a thought).
Job done. Don't stress about it and don't pay any fines.
Times (and legislation) have changed somewhat since that was sound advice. Do keep up!These letters will continue for 6 months, maybe even a hear. These companies eventually give up (probably after spending more than the fine's value in letters, postage costs, payment to the DVLA to access registered keeper information). Just continue to throw them straight into the bin (you'll begin to recognise who the letter is from and just throw it away without a thought).
Job done. Don't stress about it and don't pay any fines.
Edited by andy101093 on Sunday 30th July 17:59
Cliftonite said:
Times (and legislation) have changed somewhat since that was sound advice. Do keep up!
How recently are we talking? Less than 1 year ago? If so then by all means, ignore my advice. If not then I stand by my point. These companies are just scare mongerers who have no interest in taking you to court.
Edited by andy101093 on Sunday 30th July 18:32
andy101093 said:
Cliftonite said:
Times (and legislation) have changed somewhat since that was sound advice. Do keep up!
How recently are we talking? Less than 1 year ago? If so then by all means, ignore my advice. If not then I stand by my point. These companies are just scare mongerers who have no interest in taking you to court.
Edited by andy101093 on Sunday 30th July 18:32
Currently PC are taking 100's to court every week.
So to repeat. DO NOT IGNORE (in England and Wales).
andy101093 said:
How recently are we talking? Less than 1 year ago? If so then by all means, ignore my advice.
If not then I stand by my point. These companies are just scare mongerers who have no interest in taking you to court.
2012 mate with the introduction of POFA legislationIf not then I stand by my point. These companies are just scare mongerers who have no interest in taking you to court.
Edited by andy101093 on Sunday 30th July 18:32
ColinM50 said:
It would seem that they can just make this up.
On the balance of probabilities from the info you have provided they are making it up much less than you are, town councillor or not. They have photos of the car coming and going and all you have is 'I'm a town councillor and I know she wouldn't have not paid'. It's just not that convincing an argument.Bert
First port of call should always be the shop you were at, if you were a genuine shopper. Show a receipt or credit/debit card statement and they will be able to cancel it.
Britannia are rubbish at POFA compliance - if it was ANPR they should send a letter within 14 days of the event, but tend to be 20-30 days afterwards. This alone is enough to get the keeper off the hook.
If the shop won't cancel, then Pepipoo will help.
Britannia are rubbish at POFA compliance - if it was ANPR they should send a letter within 14 days of the event, but tend to be 20-30 days afterwards. This alone is enough to get the keeper off the hook.
If the shop won't cancel, then Pepipoo will help.
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