Can i claim for my time/labour

[ade73]

Can I claim for my time in regards to doing work on my own property if the products I used don't seem fit for purpose, meaning I will have to do the entire job again with different products?

Back story, in July 2015 I painted my garage floor (as part of a full house renovation) having experience of how shoddily this could be done from a previous house I went a bit OTT.

Double garage with bare concrete floor, wire brushed the entire thing, brushed out and then vacuumed and wiped down with white spirit.

Then 3 coats of concrete sealer (making sure the temperature was well above the minimum recommended) and allowed to dry before recoating. Left to cure as per instructions before painting with (diamond hard garage floor paint) and 3 or 4 coats of this again always way above min temps and left for the stated time between coats and allowed to cure for more than 72 hours stated for full hardness before a car was put on it.

Within a few months wear was apparent and less than a year later it looked terrible, emailed the company and they stated how it should of been applied I replied to them showing the before, during and after photos (like I said a full house refurbishment and we're recording everything as doing most of the work ourselves) They duly sent me out some replacement paint and guidelines on how to do the job again (using diluted paint this time)

So I decided to paint it again a couple of weeks ago, wire brushed and sanded where the wear and peeling was. Brushed out, vacuumed and white spirit again. 2 diluted coats and then a further 2 coats of undiluted. Always above the min temps and left to dry before the next coat. This time I gave it even longer to cure before my car was put in the garage.

Car was in the garage for a couple of days before it was took back out and each wheel pulled the paint up under it.


Now I'm going to contact the manufacturer again to claim for the 3 tins of paint I used doing this but can I claim (small claims court if needed) for the time I've spent doing this and will have to do again if I give it another try with a different brand or epoxy.


TIA

[Tablecloth]

I tiled mine with a full bed of adhesive below the tile, more that 18 years ago.
Got the tiles from a diy shop that was selling an end of range of floor tiles dirt cheap.
Still perfect.
Think it's mad? Look at a car showroom next time you are in, tiled or painted?

Edited by Tablecloth on Sunday 6th August 21:58

[Ekona]

Not that I can see, as your labour was never included in any contract with them. You could ask for some goodwill, but I think you'll be lucky.

[Red Devil]

^^This^^

As he is not in the business of sealing garage floors what basis is he going to use for his valuation?

[Thermobaric]

Could be an issue with the concrete despite you following the instructions.

I'd try another product, maybe an epoxy resin paint. Or tile it. Or pay a professional and have them rectify it should it go wrong again.

[sparkythecat]

Whilst paint dries to the touch fairly quickly, it can take several days or even weeks to harden and cure properly. If you can dent it with your fingernail, it's not cured.

https://burnettpainting.com/2014/10/28/how-long-do...

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY/comments/1vexfl/help_...

[hutchst]

Two questions: -

Why did you wipe the floor with white spirit?

Are the concrete sealer and the floor paint you used recommended as compatible with one another, or are they individual products?

Using my instinct, if I used concrete sealer that would be the finish, and if I wanted a paint finish I would use recommended primer and undercoat. I'm not saying you didn't, just asking the question.

[ade73]

Answers to above, the painted stated to allow 4-6 hours between coats, this was done for each coat, then to allow 72 hours to cure before putting a car on it. Both times I exceed the cure time.

As for white spirit, it was in the manufacturers instructions and they 2nded this on their email instructions to ensure no residual oil/grease ect.

Yes the sealer and paint were compatible.

[Muncher]

You have zero chance of getting anything from them.

[sparkythecat]

ade73 said:

Answers to above, the painted stated to allow 4-6 hours between coats, this was done for each coat, then to allow 72 hours to cure before putting a car on it. Both times I exceed the cure time.

The rate at which paint cures is variable and depends on many different factors. No two applications are likely to be the same. Its no good assuming that its cured because you've left it for a prescribed period, you need to test that it is. The fingernail test, whilst not scientific, is a good starting point.

[Mandalore]

The heat left in your tyres when you park is softening the paint and making it lose its adhesion to the concrete. The question is how that loss of adhesion is occurring.


1. is it the paint that is lifting/peeling- leaving the floor/sealant totally untouched underneath.

or

2. is the paint peeling away the top layer of the concrete.


If scenario 1, and your concrete floor is untouched, then there is an issue with the product as it isn't retaining its grip on the concrete.

If scenario 2, then potentially your concrete is too soft and the layer of paint is effectively sitting on top like a thin shell and breaking like chocolate on an cream when heated.

Its not uncommon for builders to cut back on the cement in a concrete mix for a garage, as apposed to a strong driveway mix.

[Muncher]

I have never heard of any (non epoxy) garage floor paint ever being durable, I know this won't be of any help to you, but I think it's a case of "they all do that sir".

[Monty Python]

Is it a single-pack paint or a twin-pack? Single-pack paints are less durable and only really suitable for low-traffic areas. For a garage floor I'd always go with a two-pack epoxy paint.

[Eddieslofart]

Muncher said:

I have never heard of any (non epoxy) garage floor paint ever being durable, I know this won't be of any help to you, but I think it's a case of "they all do that sir".

If you want a proper coating, you will need a PMMA resin, we do a lot of car park surfacing in it.

Similiar to, but not exclusively this.

http://m.triflex.co.uk/en/systems/car-parks.html

The cost will make your eyes water though, but you'll only do it once.

[Douglas Quaid]

It's should have op. You'd never say I of would you?

[anonymous-user]

Almost certainly more to do with the quality of the concrete rather than the paint.

Now that you've given the floor so much treatment it's unlikely ever to be any good.

Forget your witch hunt; tile it. (Either cemented ceramic or just plastic tiles)

[iphonedyou]

You need the internet to tell you 'no', OP?

Amazing.