Chilli spray - legality?
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Seen this:
http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/products/kiss-the-devi...
Now, this is a handy way of spicing up your food without ending up with a big splodge of pure agony.
But mace is a spray of capsaicin - the active ingredient in chilli.
So, is this legal to carry around? And if so, if somebody attacks me, can I use it in self defence?
http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/products/kiss-the-devi...
Now, this is a handy way of spicing up your food without ending up with a big splodge of pure agony.
But mace is a spray of capsaicin - the active ingredient in chilli.
So, is this legal to carry around? And if so, if somebody attacks me, can I use it in self defence?
I would say you might be on dodgy ground.
If I carry a hammer on my person, it may be deemed to be an offensive weapon. Unless of course I'm a tradesman on my way to/from or during work. Same applies to this 'chilli spray'.
Would you be able to prove you had due cause to be equipped with it. You better have all your ducks in a row if you did ever use it on someone. Because the authorities may have a sense of humour failure if you couldnt prove you had a good reason to have it on you.
If I carry a hammer on my person, it may be deemed to be an offensive weapon. Unless of course I'm a tradesman on my way to/from or during work. Same applies to this 'chilli spray'.
Would you be able to prove you had due cause to be equipped with it. You better have all your ducks in a row if you did ever use it on someone. Because the authorities may have a sense of humour failure if you couldnt prove you had a good reason to have it on you.
i used to run an off licence. we handled a lot of cash , so were a target. i used a can of deep heat or ralgex . obviously i would need to keep a can at hand because of my bad back.
i also kept a can in my van and my car.
i had to use it in my shop on a couple of occasions , with no complaint from the police.
i also kept a can in my van and my car.
i had to use it in my shop on a couple of occasions , with no complaint from the police.
justinio said:
I would say you might be on dodgy ground.
If I carry a hammer on my person, it may be deemed to be an offensive weapon. Unless of course I'm a tradesman on my way to/from or during work. Same applies to this 'chilli spray'.
Would you be able to prove you had due cause to be equipped with it. You better have all your ducks in a row if you did ever use it on someone. Because the authorities may have a sense of humour failure if you couldnt prove you had a good reason to have it on you.
Bit different to a hammer, I love chilli and keep it in my pocket when I want a chilli hit, same as people who like mint and carry polo's.If I carry a hammer on my person, it may be deemed to be an offensive weapon. Unless of course I'm a tradesman on my way to/from or during work. Same applies to this 'chilli spray'.
Would you be able to prove you had due cause to be equipped with it. You better have all your ducks in a row if you did ever use it on someone. Because the authorities may have a sense of humour failure if you couldnt prove you had a good reason to have it on you.
I know someone who carries their own coarse black pepper, as more often they only have fine white pepper on the tables.
jas xjr said:
i used to run an off licence. we handled a lot of cash , so were a target. i used a can of deep heat or ralgex . obviously i would need to keep a can at hand because of my bad back.
i also kept a can in my van and my car.
i had to use it in my shop on a couple of occasions , with no complaint from the police.
hmmm, i keep a baseball bat next to the safe in mine, never thought of using deep heat...I take it that it does the job?i also kept a can in my van and my car.
i had to use it in my shop on a couple of occasions , with no complaint from the police.
PAULJ5555 said:
Bit different to a hammer, I love chilli and keep it in my pocket when I want a chilli hit, same as people who like mint and carry polo's.
I know someone who carries their own coarse black pepper, as more often they only have fine white pepper on the tables.
Cool, let us know how you get on. Personally, I'm really not in favour of people walking around 'going equipped'.I know someone who carries their own coarse black pepper, as more often they only have fine white pepper on the tables.
justinio said:
I would say you might be on dodgy ground.
If I carry a hammer on my person, it may be deemed to be an offensive weapon. Unless of course I'm a tradesman on my way to/from or during work. Same applies to this 'chilli spray'.
Would you be able to prove you had due cause to be equipped with it. You better have all your ducks in a row if you did ever use it on someone. Because the authorities may have a sense of humour failure if you couldnt prove you had a good reason to have it on you.
A police caravan was parked in our high-street as a community-meet-your-police type of thing. I asked if I could hand some kitchen knives in, because I had bought a new set. 'Nah..., see the council'. I asked the council at a recycling centre. 'Nah.., see the police'. I was just trying to dispose of these safely, no-one interested.If I carry a hammer on my person, it may be deemed to be an offensive weapon. Unless of course I'm a tradesman on my way to/from or during work. Same applies to this 'chilli spray'.
Would you be able to prove you had due cause to be equipped with it. You better have all your ducks in a row if you did ever use it on someone. Because the authorities may have a sense of humour failure if you couldnt prove you had a good reason to have it on you.
Everything can be an offensive weapon. I remember an old comedy, the comic bad guy had things taken off him, even a handkerchief 'well, I suppose I could blow my brains out'
ymwoods said:
hmmm, i keep a baseball bat next to the safe in mine, never thought of using deep heat...I take it that it does the job?
i used it conjunction with a short pole that had a hook on it , that was for pulling the shutters down. very effective , did the job on the couple of occasions i needed to use it. you do not need to get too close to the scumbags , so fairly safe and does not do any permanent damage.a quick tap on the hip with a bat works very well too
Solocle said:
Seen this:
http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/products/kiss-the-devi...
Now, this is a handy way of spicing up your food without ending up with a big splodge of pure agony.
But mace is a spray of capsaicin - the active ingredient in chilli.
So, is this legal to carry around? And if so, if somebody attacks me, can I use it in self defence?
I just clicked the link and saw the product.http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/products/kiss-the-devi...
Now, this is a handy way of spicing up your food without ending up with a big splodge of pure agony.
But mace is a spray of capsaicin - the active ingredient in chilli.
So, is this legal to carry around? And if so, if somebody attacks me, can I use it in self defence?
Have you ever been attacked in the street on a dark rainy night? That little bottle of spray might be useful if you threw it at your attacker while running in the opposite direction.
"Hold on a second, let me prime the spray. There thats it, now come closer and hold still while I try to spray it in your face. Oh, I hope I've got the little spray nozzle pointing in the right direction."
But seriously. Probably the best advice I can give is to be self aware. Learn to read situations, so you never need little bottles spray. Failing that. become powerfully built. And always, dominate those stairs.
Interesting one. The stock answer seems to be that you would have to prove you had good reason to carry it.
Whether the excuse of "in case my food isn't spicy enough" would stand up in court I don't know.
The firearms act prohibits "any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid gas or other thing" - wonder if this extends to chilli essence, as one could argue it is ostensibly a foodstuff (as opposed to pava, pepperspray etc which use chilli or synthesised chilli compounds but for the express use of incapacitating people).
Whether the excuse of "in case my food isn't spicy enough" would stand up in court I don't know.
The firearms act prohibits "any weapon of whatever description designed or adapted for the discharge of any noxious liquid gas or other thing" - wonder if this extends to chilli essence, as one could argue it is ostensibly a foodstuff (as opposed to pava, pepperspray etc which use chilli or synthesised chilli compounds but for the express use of incapacitating people).
You cannot carry defensive weapons in the United Kingdom. A chilli spray would be hard to justify.
The British state really does not want anyone to use a weapon to defend themselves. To set an example, I'd expect you would be more vigorously prosecuted and get a harsher punishment than the person trying to attack you.
The British state really does not want anyone to use a weapon to defend themselves. To set an example, I'd expect you would be more vigorously prosecuted and get a harsher punishment than the person trying to attack you.
Solocle said:
Seen this:
http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/products/kiss-the-devi...
Now, this is a handy way of spicing up your food without ending up with a big splodge of pure agony.
But mace is a spray of capsaicin - the active ingredient in chilli.
So, is this legal to carry around? And if so, if somebody attacks me, can I use it in self defence?
You can try to use it in self defence but I doubt you'll get far. A normal can of pepper spray which squirts a stream of liquid is hard enough to hit the eyes of an attacker with. The ones that blow out a huge aerosol cloud look a bit easier to use. This thing will let out a pathetic little puff. Not worth relying on. http://www.chileseeds.co.uk/products/kiss-the-devi...
Now, this is a handy way of spicing up your food without ending up with a big splodge of pure agony.
But mace is a spray of capsaicin - the active ingredient in chilli.
So, is this legal to carry around? And if so, if somebody attacks me, can I use it in self defence?
anonymous said:
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Well, while Brits like to pat themselves on the back and laugh at dumb gun-toting Americans, the UK has ended up with a higher rate of assault against the person than the US (although there are more murders in the US) and the latest craze in the UK are acid attacks, which are on top of the regular fatal and non-fatal knife attacks. If you wanted to pick out the benefits of an unarmed society, I'd be thinking of Australia or New Zealand. The UK is not doing so well.An identification dye spray is probably the only thing you'd get away with carrying.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Farbgel-Personal-Defence-...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Farbgel-Personal-Defence-...
creampuff said:
Well, while Brits like to pat themselves on the back and laugh at dumb gun-toting Americans,the UK has ended up with a higher rate of assault against the person than the US (although there are more murders in the US) and the latest craze in the UK are acid attacks, which are on top of the regular fatal and non-fatal knife attacks. If you wanted to pick out the benefits of an unarmed society, I'd be thinking of Australia or New Zealand. The UK is not doing so well.
Have you got an accurate citation for this? I remember a few years ago some utter crap about the UK being 5 times more dangerous than the US until you actually do some reading around and realise that some US states didn't record assault unless it involved a hospital visit, and violent assault wasn't recorded unless it involved a deadly weapon etc etc. So in fact we just had a much better recording method.EDIT:
United Kingdom:
“Violent crime contains a wide range of offences, from minor assaults such as pushing and shoving that result in no physical harm through to serious incidents of wounding and murder. Around a half of violent incidents identified by both BCS and police statistics involve no injury to the victim.” (THOSB – CEW, page 17, paragraph 1.)
United States:
“In the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, violent crime is composed of four offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Violent crimes are defined in the UCR Program as those offenses which involve force or threat of force.” (FBI – CUS – Violent Crime)
from https://dispellingthemythukvsusguns.wordpress.com/
Violent crime recording in the OK cant be compared to the US.
In the UK the following are included under the violent crime heading
Homicide, violence with injury, violence without injury, murder, manslaughter, corporate manslaughter, infanticide, death by dangerous driving, harassment, stalking, child abduction, kidnapping. modern slavery, malicious communications, threats to kill ...and many more
In the UK the following are included under the violent crime heading
Homicide, violence with injury, violence without injury, murder, manslaughter, corporate manslaughter, infanticide, death by dangerous driving, harassment, stalking, child abduction, kidnapping. modern slavery, malicious communications, threats to kill ...and many more
jas xjr said:
i used to run an off licence. we handled a lot of cash , so were a target. i used a can of deep heat or ralgex . obviously i would need to keep a can at hand because of my bad back.
i also kept a can in my van and my car.
i had to use it in my shop on a couple of occasions , with no complaint from the police.
Years ago my Mum ran an off licence and the brewery handed out what I can only describe as a 'mini air horn' personal alarm. i also kept a can in my van and my car.
i had to use it in my shop on a couple of occasions , with no complaint from the police.
About 4" long in a little leather cover attached to a leather cord to wear around the neck. You squeezed / pressed it like a can of deodorant, aimed at the face of an attacker, and this little thing let out a blast of sound, like an air horn but so f*kin loud it would literally stun for a few seconds!! I know because she 'demonstrated' it to me one day soon after she got it! F*ck Me it was Loud!! Mum thought that was funny but she does have a sense of humour like me!
For a couple of seconds I was stunned, eyes closed out of reflex and disoriented would have given her chance to get out of the way if I'd been an attacker, plus the noise would be heard by anyone in the area.
The brewery handed them out after some little sh*t had a go at robbing the place! Said little scroat barged into the shop with a balaclava on demanding money! Mum screamed at him and shouted for me, in our house next door, connecting door between the two.
I charged through to see her trying to hold onto him as he tried to get out!! She'd come out from behind the counter and tried to grab him whilst screaming for me next door. He managed to get out the door and Mum stopped our Boxer dog from chasing him by slamming the door before I could get through it!! The little git was like a f*kin rabbit down the alleys behind the houses and I had no chance of catching him, Mum shut the door on our Boxer dog again!?! because she didn't want the dog to get hurt!! WTF!!!
BIB were there in minutes and drove me round the area in the back of the squad car to see if I could see him. I did ask what would have happened if I had caught him and hurt him, and they just said something on the lines of "We'd have sorted something out"
(before all the keyboard warriors come out with all the Hardman comments, I'm not a big powerful company director / ninja warrior, but seeing your own Mum in danger gets the adrenalin going)
Turned out he panicked when she shouted for me as he was called Chris, same as me! Little sh*t was caught a few weeks after and he lived just along the street! Copped to attempted robbery, numerous burglaries etc. Got 6 months, out in 3, and left the area on release as there were a few people who 'wanted a word'
That alarm was excellent and I'm sure you can get them somewhere, just can't be arsed to do a search at the moment.
(sorry for the ramble, enjoying a couple of Polish beers from our local shop and got carried away)
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