Parking Ticket Relative from Abroad
Parking Ticket Relative from Abroad
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Biker 1

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8,589 posts

149 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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A relative came from abroad (non EU country) to visit. He rented a car, then parked it in a railway station car park in order to visit London.
It seems he didn't quite understand how the system works. He only had old style £1 coins, so couldn't obtain a ticket, & therefore didn't pay (should've at least asked station/car park staff rolleyes)....
Apparently the ticket is £120 or £60 if paid within a couple of weeks.
So: does he pay up £60 right now, or does he fk off home & hope for the best? My guess is that its a private enforcement company that will eventually claim the full £120 from the car rental company, who in turn, will automatically charge his credit card whether he likes it or not. Short of cancelling his credit card & never visiting the UK again on pain of death, what are the options?

Butter Face

34,939 posts

190 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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Surely just pay the £60 and get on with life?

It's what I'd do!

dacouch

1,172 posts

159 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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Is this a Southern Rail or one of their sister companies?

Biker 1

Original Poster:

8,589 posts

149 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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dacouch said:
Is this a Southern Rail or one of their sister companies?
Southern Rail.
I will have a good look at the ticket tomorrow & report...

Biker 1

Original Poster:

8,589 posts

149 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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Butter Face said:
Surely just pay the £60 and get on with life?

It's what I'd do!
Me too, but relative is from a part of the world where £60 is an awful lot of money.

silverfoxcc

8,469 posts

175 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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go to pepipoo.com and ask them

BUT if it is kosher, then wait fro the NTK and send it back with the guys details
Doubtful if the PPC will pursue and as you have given them the drivers drtails RK liabilty is at an end

HOWEVER

it may well be that the car park is 'not relevant land' ( covered by byelaws)and if you can spin it out for 6 months.... go to pepipoo.com and put in the private parking thread.......THen you escape the TOC chasing you

But best to get onto pepipoo.com

Mandat

4,640 posts

268 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Biker 1 said:
Me too, but relative is from a part of the world where £60 is an awful lot of money.
The problem is that the hire company will pay the PCN and will counter charge to your relative plus an admin charge on their credit card.

The relative will pay whatever happens, its just a question of £60 now or more than £60 later.


sim16v

2,177 posts

231 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Biker 1 said:
Me too, but relative is from a part of the world where £60 is an awful lot of money.
But relative can afford to pay for a holiday in the UK and a hire car......whistle

SVTRick

3,633 posts

225 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Contact Bank
Cancel card ASAP as you have lost it
Don't listen to dick heads on PH

Sorted new number issued
Old number cancelled

They can no longer charge your card as it's invalid

WolfAir

456 posts

165 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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SVTRick said:
Contact Bank
Cancel card ASAP as you have lost it
Don't listen to dick heads on PH

Sorted new number issued
Old number cancelled

They can no longer charge your card as it's invalid
what he said and then fly back to the Country they came from.
Unless your relative is incredibly honest and or their religious beliefs stop them from doing so, then just pay the £60 and move on.
You could always help out if they are finding it difficult to pay

GCH

4,141 posts

232 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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SVTRick said:
Contact Bank
Cancel card ASAP as you have lost it
Don't listen to dick heads on PH

Sorted new number issued
Old number cancelled

They can no longer charge your card as it's invalid
Even with an approved pre-auth for the rental deposit?

Butter Face

34,939 posts

190 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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SVTRick said:
Don't listen to dick heads on PH

Sorted new number issued
Old number cancelled
rofl

Hire car company would still be able to charge as they will have a pre approved deposit from the original credit card that they credit card company will honour because it was done before the card was 'lost'

But yeah, good on, 'dick heads on PH' rofl

OP, I'm not trying to be a 'dick head' but if he could afford to get to the UK, hire a car, go to London for a day out etc then surely £60 is a drop in the ocean?

If it really is a lot, then as family, why don't you pay it? I've done the same for my sister who is a bit hard up sometimes.

creampuff

6,511 posts

173 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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^ it's likely the timescale for cancelling the presuthisation will be a lot shorter than the rental company finding out about it.....

I'm assuming it was ticket on the windscreen, not ANPR and through the post.

Bill

58,722 posts

285 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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I would imagine the car hire firms are used to chancers and keep the deposit open until a few weeks have passed and there are no nasty letters.

So pay £60 now, or £120+ admin fee later.

JimmyCauty

27 posts

126 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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I had a Danish colleague with the same problem last year. He did genuinely have grounds for appeal in that instance - the paper ticket had fallen down off the window between the seat and driver door bin.

Anyway, he appealed the ticket instantly via the council's on-line 'appeal my parking charge' form or suchlike - but didn't have any evidence of the purchased ticket as he managed to lose it in the intervening period! This though, had the effect of removing the rental company (Europcar) from the process. He was then dealing directly with the council parking enforcement team, and they had his contact details - complete with Danish address.

He never heard from them again.

Biker 1

Original Poster:

8,589 posts

149 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Bill said:
I would imagine the car hire firms are used to chancers and keep the deposit open until a few weeks have passed and there are no nasty letters.

So pay £60 now, or £120+ admin fee later.
This is pretty much what I thought.
I know the T & Cs usually mention stuff about speeding tickets, but wasn't sure what the position is with private parking companies.
Thanks for quick PH responses as ever, including the obvious 'if he can afford a hire car & trip to the UK, he should be able to afford £60.....' Yep, coming over on a shoestring was perhaps not the best idea, & I did try to warn him multiple times, particularly regarding parking & speed cameras.

Vaud

59,643 posts

185 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Cancelling the card...

...assuming it is the visitors card from his local country provider, then they will just pursue him locally as it was an authorised charge at the time of transaction?

pavarotti1980

6,348 posts

114 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Biker 1 said:
A relative came from abroad (non EU country) to visit. He rented a car, then parked it in a railway station car park in order to visit London.
It seems he didn't quite understand how the system works. He only had old style £1 coins, so couldn't obtain a ticket, & therefore didn't pay (should've at least asked station/car park staff rolleyes)....
Apparently the ticket is £120 or £60 if paid within a couple of weeks.
So: does he pay up £60 right now, or does he fk off home & hope for the best? My guess is that its a private enforcement company that will eventually claim the full £120 from the car rental company, who in turn, will automatically charge his credit card whether he likes it or not. Short of cancelling his credit card & never visiting the UK again on pain of death, what are the options?
The hire company should service the company with the home address of the driver. This should be their home address in foreign country. Aloow them to write to them in foreign country and play letter ping pong for 6 months from the date of parking indiscretion. Once the 6 months has timed out they are unable to take them to court for railway byelaw offences.

Then live happily ever after

Biker 1

Original Poster:

8,589 posts

149 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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pavarotti1980 said:
The hire company should service the company with the home address of the driver. This should be their home address in foreign country. Aloow them to write to them in foreign country and play letter ping pong for 6 months from the date of parking indiscretion. Once the 6 months has timed out they are unable to take them to court for railway byelaw offences.

Then live happily ever after
Are you sure the hire company wouldn't pay the ticket & then pursue the hirer + admin fee?? There are conflicting messages here on PH....

pavarotti1980

6,348 posts

114 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Biker 1 said:
Are you sure the hire company wouldn't pay the ticket & then pursue the hirer + admin fee?? There are conflicting messages here on PH....
How has the driver been informed of the ticket? On the windscreen?