Recon engine blew after 90ml company refusing responibility
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not disclosing any names here as I'm about seek legal action but this is how the story goes
engine in my van wasn't running right with a water pressure problem, turns out the head gasket was fine just the previous owner misdiagnosed the issues and has been dumping radweld and sealer in the cooling system
any way initially thought water pump and after removing the water pump of which was relatively new lumps of sealer was removed from the engine
so I instruct the garage to remove the motor and I'll get a recon unit delivered to them
recon unit arrives slight differences between the 2 units, the mechanic at my garage says its from the year below my model however it will still be ok just swapping some additional parts over which he did
engine in and running I get a call to say, the engine is leaking water and oil, on further inspection the water pick off pipe in the side of the new block (coreplug) was badly corroded and leaking water, so this had just been painted over by the recon manufacturer
and the oil leak was weeping thru the from of the sump, the sump was removed and was found to have a massive crack in the inside
so the inlet manifold had to be removed to replace the corroded water pipe and the sump had to be repaired
all this time I had spoke with the engine supplier and all they wanted to do was for me to send back the unit along with my old one....... this is where I refused, my van is for my business and its been off the road nearly 2 weeks and I just wanted it back and running again, and based on the recon unit condition that was supplied I was reluctant to send my old engine back.....
so the repairs are carried out and the mechanic gave it an extended road test 45miles and I then collected it, my labour for the whole job was 34hrs when it was initially estimated to be 15hrs this was due to all the problems with the supplied exchange recon engine
I load up my van and set off on Friday morning I drive a further 45miles with it and I come to a hill with a crawler lane, I've driven this route before and usually runs up this hill with ease however on Friday I'm down to 4th gear and its struggling to get up, the van is now down to 40mph and its starting to sound rough
I get to the top and go to change gear when the clutch is pressed all the lights come on in the dash and the engine dies I lift the clutch it comes back in to life and its knocking I get to the parking layby at the top of the crawler lane and shut it off, water is boiling over and when cranking you can hear its lacking compression
the engine is toast
any way its recovered to the garage and I ask them to remove it and remove all my parts from it
I call the engine recon company today, stating I've had a failure after just 90miles and told them of the issues, I've asked them to refund me upon collection of the failed unit
the guy proceeds to tell me that they don't do refunds and they can do a warranty repair unless I give them my old engine and the failed engine back.
I've told them that I no longer want to use their services as they are clearly unprofessional when it comes to recon engines and the guy proceeds to tell me I have no chance of getting a refund and they wont take back the failed unit to carry out an inspection and assessment of the failure unless I give them my old unit back as well
since I need my van to earn my living, I've went straight to the manufacturer and purchased a new unit complete minus starter and alternator which was surprisingly only £1150 more expensive than the recon unit I was supplied by these cowboys
surely I have consumer rights here and as I said I am about to seek legal action and the only thing I can think of is small claims court
based on what I have stated above do you think there is grounds for a claim ?
not disclosing any names here as I'm about seek legal action but this is how the story goes
engine in my van wasn't running right with a water pressure problem, turns out the head gasket was fine just the previous owner misdiagnosed the issues and has been dumping radweld and sealer in the cooling system
any way initially thought water pump and after removing the water pump of which was relatively new lumps of sealer was removed from the engine
so I instruct the garage to remove the motor and I'll get a recon unit delivered to them
recon unit arrives slight differences between the 2 units, the mechanic at my garage says its from the year below my model however it will still be ok just swapping some additional parts over which he did
engine in and running I get a call to say, the engine is leaking water and oil, on further inspection the water pick off pipe in the side of the new block (coreplug) was badly corroded and leaking water, so this had just been painted over by the recon manufacturer
and the oil leak was weeping thru the from of the sump, the sump was removed and was found to have a massive crack in the inside
so the inlet manifold had to be removed to replace the corroded water pipe and the sump had to be repaired
all this time I had spoke with the engine supplier and all they wanted to do was for me to send back the unit along with my old one....... this is where I refused, my van is for my business and its been off the road nearly 2 weeks and I just wanted it back and running again, and based on the recon unit condition that was supplied I was reluctant to send my old engine back.....
so the repairs are carried out and the mechanic gave it an extended road test 45miles and I then collected it, my labour for the whole job was 34hrs when it was initially estimated to be 15hrs this was due to all the problems with the supplied exchange recon engine
I load up my van and set off on Friday morning I drive a further 45miles with it and I come to a hill with a crawler lane, I've driven this route before and usually runs up this hill with ease however on Friday I'm down to 4th gear and its struggling to get up, the van is now down to 40mph and its starting to sound rough
I get to the top and go to change gear when the clutch is pressed all the lights come on in the dash and the engine dies I lift the clutch it comes back in to life and its knocking I get to the parking layby at the top of the crawler lane and shut it off, water is boiling over and when cranking you can hear its lacking compression
the engine is toast
any way its recovered to the garage and I ask them to remove it and remove all my parts from it
I call the engine recon company today, stating I've had a failure after just 90miles and told them of the issues, I've asked them to refund me upon collection of the failed unit
the guy proceeds to tell me that they don't do refunds and they can do a warranty repair unless I give them my old engine and the failed engine back.
I've told them that I no longer want to use their services as they are clearly unprofessional when it comes to recon engines and the guy proceeds to tell me I have no chance of getting a refund and they wont take back the failed unit to carry out an inspection and assessment of the failure unless I give them my old unit back as well
since I need my van to earn my living, I've went straight to the manufacturer and purchased a new unit complete minus starter and alternator which was surprisingly only £1150 more expensive than the recon unit I was supplied by these cowboys
surely I have consumer rights here and as I said I am about to seek legal action and the only thing I can think of is small claims court
based on what I have stated above do you think there is grounds for a claim ?
you bought a recon engine
Your garage did work on that engine (more than fitting it)
You now want the supplier to agree that it was their fault.
You are likely to struggle to demonstrate that it was the suppliers fault and not down to your own garage.
I would have returned it as soon as the first issue was found and before it was run.
Your garage did work on that engine (more than fitting it)
You now want the supplier to agree that it was their fault.
You are likely to struggle to demonstrate that it was the suppliers fault and not down to your own garage.
I would have returned it as soon as the first issue was found and before it was run.
What a mess. When I toasted the motor in my previous vehicle I put the shell on Ebay and a couple of Polish guys took it away - it's still not (legally) on the road 4 months later. Did cross my mind to swap the motor but I foresaw your problem and cut my losses thankfully.
Again I would cut your losses - buy a replacement van and move on.
Again I would cut your losses - buy a replacement van and move on.
EzyQ said:
surely I have consumer rights here and as I said I am about to seek legal action and the only thing I can think of is small claims court
If you bought this for your business van, I think that might change the metric there? How did you pay them? Credit card?
I'm afraid that as the poster above says, having already identified it was a bit suspect and proceeding anyway rather than returning it, plus having had the garage to further work on it, my inexpert opinion is leaning towards you may have made things a bit difficult for yourself.
Have the garage identified the root cause of the failure?
IJWS15 said:
you bought a recon engine
Your garage did work on that engine (more than fitting it)
You now want the supplier to agree that it was their fault.
You are likely to struggle to demonstrate that it was the suppliers fault and not down to your own garage.
I would have returned it as soon as the first issue was found and before it was run.
+1Your garage did work on that engine (more than fitting it)
You now want the supplier to agree that it was their fault.
You are likely to struggle to demonstrate that it was the suppliers fault and not down to your own garage.
I would have returned it as soon as the first issue was found and before it was run.
I'd have thought it would be difficult to prove liability in even fitting it, such is the nature of the part and the work involved (and potential for things to be missed or done improperly), but in a situation where the supplied part has been modified, I think you've got next to no chance outside of trying to get goodwill.
Even if you do as they say they're going to receive a different assemblage of components than they supplied to you in the first place.
InitialDave said:
If you bought this for your business van, I think that might change the metric there?
How did you pay them? Credit card?
I'm afraid that as the poster above says, having already identified it was a bit suspect and proceeding anyway rather than returning it, plus having had the garage to further work on it, my inexpert opinion is leaning towards you may have made things a bit difficult for yourself.
Have the garage identified the root cause of the failure?
the engine recon company in question request bank transfer as payment no pay by card option given How did you pay them? Credit card?
I'm afraid that as the poster above says, having already identified it was a bit suspect and proceeding anyway rather than returning it, plus having had the garage to further work on it, my inexpert opinion is leaning towards you may have made things a bit difficult for yourself.
Have the garage identified the root cause of the failure?
the work the garage had carried out was the repair to the rotten core plug pipe which was leaking water and the sump that was cracked, the engine was in and running when these issues was discovered !
the recon unit that arrived, I had to swap over all my parts as the supplied unit arrived as a block nicely painted black, the head & the sump, nothing else was on this unit
my vacuum pump housing had to be swapped with the recon one as this was different also discovered that various threads had been drilled & tapped with 9mm helicoils so mini clutch bolts had to be used to bolt on certain items on to the recon engine
IJWS15 said:
you bought a recon engine
Your garage did work on that engine (more than fitting it)
You now want the supplier to agree that it was their fault.
You are likely to struggle to demonstrate that it was the suppliers fault and not down to your own garage.
I would have returned it as soon as the first issue was found and before it was run.
Don't forget that he notified the supplier of problems noticed before fitting, then refused to cooperate with their suggested solution...Your garage did work on that engine (more than fitting it)
You now want the supplier to agree that it was their fault.
You are likely to struggle to demonstrate that it was the suppliers fault and not down to your own garage.
I would have returned it as soon as the first issue was found and before it was run.
Also - shedloads of goop in the cooling system of the old engine, yet no mention of replacing the rad or flushing through the heater matrix.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 30th October 12:51
TooMany2cvs said:
Don't forget that he notified the supplier of problems noticed before fitting, then refused to cooperate with their suggested solution...
Also - shedloads of goop in the cooling system of the old engine, yet no mention of replacing the rad or flushing through the heater matrix.
the rad was removed as part of the engine installation and was subsequently flushed prior to installation Also - shedloads of goop in the cooling system of the old engine, yet no mention of replacing the rad or flushing through the heater matrix.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Monday 30th October 12:51
once running the cooling system was checked and circulating fine with minimal pressure build up
so on the bases of receiving what you believe to be a recon engine and finding serveral problems that the garage advise are no show stopped however the engine supplier wants both units returned ?????
I personally decided not to return my old unit to them unless I had been given a recon engine that was fit for use
EzyQ said:
so on the bases of receiving what you believe to be a recon engine and finding serveral problems that the garage advise are no show stopped however the engine supplier wants both units returned ?????
I personally decided not to return my old unit to them unless I had been given a recon engine that was fit for use
I suspect that their plan is to take back the recon they supplied you, and recondition then return your original engine. Given that a part of your complaint relates to differences in specification between the two, this does not seem an unreasonable suggestion.I personally decided not to return my old unit to them unless I had been given a recon engine that was fit for use
Did you diagnose the actual problem with your original engine?
TooMany2cvs said:
I suspect that their plan is to take back the recon they supplied you, and recondition then return your original engine. Given that a part of your complaint relates to differences in specification between the two, this does not seem an unreasonable suggestion.
Did you diagnose the actual problem with your original engine?
I agree however I needed my van on the road ASAP as I was losing revenue by not working, so had my reservations about releasing my old engine to them and then having to remove the recon unit again and not knowing when and what engine I would be receiving Did you diagnose the actual problem with your original engine?
my original engine was ok apart from water pressure which would cause the cap to lift and force the water out as long as I was prepared to top up the water about 3 times a day I could continue to use this engine, so the diagnosis was blocked water galleries due to sealant being deployed by previous owner
TooMany2cvs said:
That's pretty much the industry standard, isn't it?
If you're really lucky, they might run it for a bit with diesel in it to clean up the sludge, which was standard practice at a place someone I know worked at years ago (this does actually work, but it's hardly "reconditioning").Forums | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff


