National Speed Limit ignorance
Discussion
Maybe it's January, or maybe its indicative of increasingly s
t driving standards, but it seems that a significant about of time I spend on NSL single-carriageway roads is being stuck behind someone doing 25-30mph.
Worse, two drivers this week have lambasted me, having overtaken them, both with the opinion that a NSL road (with NSL signage) was 30mph. Tuesday it was a car that drew up alongside at a road about, this evening a car that followed me into the supermarket carpark. Neither would have it that an NSL single-carriageway road is 60mph.
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t driving standards, but it seems that a significant about of time I spend on NSL single-carriageway roads is being stuck behind someone doing 25-30mph.Worse, two drivers this week have lambasted me, having overtaken them, both with the opinion that a NSL road (with NSL signage) was 30mph. Tuesday it was a car that drew up alongside at a road about, this evening a car that followed me into the supermarket carpark. Neither would have it that an NSL single-carriageway road is 60mph.
/rant over
Happens all the time on my commute home, particularly on the M66 - People simply refuse to do 70. It also seems to be favourite for road captains "doing everyone a favour" by slowing everyone down to 40mph when it gets slightly busy. I get slowing down some if its wet/icy but half the time these twonks end up causing even more of a hazard.
I had the same on the A19 on Friday last week, came up behind a fiesta in the outside lane, nsl dual carriageway signed up as nsl - 70 limit, simple.
No they were sat at a GPS SOG of 17mph so on there dash Speedo probably 20mph
They refused to move over so I undertook them and they were going ballistic and giving me the coffee beans etc...
It was 9pm and not a single other car barring our 2 for a solid mile infront or behind - I was totally livid
No they were sat at a GPS SOG of 17mph so on there dash Speedo probably 20mph
They refused to move over so I undertook them and they were going ballistic and giving me the coffee beans etc...
It was 9pm and not a single other car barring our 2 for a solid mile infront or behind - I was totally livid
Ares said:
Maybe it's January, or maybe its indicative of increasingly st driving standards, but it seems that a significant about of time I spend on NSL single-carriageway roads is being stuck behind someone doing 25-30mph.
Worse, two drivers this week have lambasted me, having overtaken them, both with the opinion that a NSL road (with NSL signage) was 30mph. Tuesday it was a car that drew up alongside at a road about, this evening a car that followed me into the supermarket carpark. Neither would have it that an NSL single-carriageway road is 60mph.
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It's a valid rant. Driving standards are utterly, utterly atrocious - speeds of 20-25mph have become the norm. Reckon the '20's plenty' campaign's rubbed off on the spastic masses. If I'm behind one of the dawdling t driving standards, but it seems that a significant about of time I spend on NSL single-carriageway roads is being stuck behind someone doing 25-30mph.Worse, two drivers this week have lambasted me, having overtaken them, both with the opinion that a NSL road (with NSL signage) was 30mph. Tuesday it was a car that drew up alongside at a road about, this evening a car that followed me into the supermarket carpark. Neither would have it that an NSL single-carriageway road is 60mph.
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s I beep and flash the full beam, they *need* to be made aware that their driving standard is below what is acceptable and they deserve it. If you're not capable of driving at the lowest NSL (negating the ridiculous 20's plenty) - get the fk off the road.Ares said:
DoubleD said:
What did they say to you?
Car park lady told me off for speeding, she wouldn't have it that I wasn't.Roundabout guy told me I'd overtaken in a 30 limit.
k off."a speed limit is just that, a limit and not a target" said no-one ever in my house...
I have been known to make progress along the lanes when out and about, down here it's tourists stopping to admire the view, others parking on double yellows on a bend because they're on holiday, dragging mahoosive caravans down single track lanes and on one particular occasion, driving straight towards me on the wrong side of the road (foreign plates) then giving me grief when I pointed this out to them.
And relax
I have been known to make progress along the lanes when out and about, down here it's tourists stopping to admire the view, others parking on double yellows on a bend because they're on holiday, dragging mahoosive caravans down single track lanes and on one particular occasion, driving straight towards me on the wrong side of the road (foreign plates) then giving me grief when I pointed this out to them.
And relax
Edited by S2r on Thursday 25th January 18:49
(Including myself.)Ditherers I call them. Do my nut.
Today's commute to work saw one cretin at 42 in a 50. Another 36 in a 50, and a final 52 in a 70.
I don't think they've got a clue. I think most of the country think only motorways are 70. And should a speed limit end, for example a 40-50, or 50 to 70, they completely miss it and go bimbling along at the slower speed.
On the A34 in the morning, I'd have thought a massive clue would be being overtaken by a HGV. Clearly not.
Today's commute to work saw one cretin at 42 in a 50. Another 36 in a 50, and a final 52 in a 70.
I don't think they've got a clue. I think most of the country think only motorways are 70. And should a speed limit end, for example a 40-50, or 50 to 70, they completely miss it and go bimbling along at the slower speed.
On the A34 in the morning, I'd have thought a massive clue would be being overtaken by a HGV. Clearly not.
nonsequitur said:
It's good to see drivers taking it easy for once. Too many serial speeders around I'm afraid.
(30 and content.)
Mumsnet's this way>>>> (30 and content.) My day yesterday consisted mainly of driving on single carriageway nsl roads, all I had was people doing 35-40mph in front of me, one tt even tried to block me as I overtook, he soon moved back over when I kept my foot in and leant on the horn but made some interesting gestures at me as I passed. Later on in the day I was stuck doing 30 behind another numpty with a massive queue behind me that said numpty would have clearly been able to see in their mirrors, what do they think when they see the massive queue behind them (if they actually use the mirrors obviously)?
Also, why is the slowest person always at the front? : D
Can I add the people who were braking for no apparent reason and the woman in a campervan who randomly stopped dead in front of me on a blind bend to the rant too?
t even tried to block me as I overtook, he soon moved back over when I kept my foot in and leant on the horn but made some interesting gestures at me as I passed. Later on in the day I was stuck doing 30 behind another numpty with a massive queue behind me that said numpty would have clearly been able to see in their mirrors, what do they think when they see the massive queue behind them (if they actually use the mirrors obviously)? Also, why is the slowest person always at the front? : D
Can I add the people who were braking for no apparent reason and the woman in a campervan who randomly stopped dead in front of me on a blind bend to the rant too?
Edited by njw1 on Thursday 25th January 19:03
Ares said:
Maybe it's January, or maybe its indicative of increasingly st driving standards, but it seems that a significant about of time I spend on NSL single-carriageway roads is being stuck behind someone doing 25-30mph.
Worse, two drivers this week have lambasted me, having overtaken them, both with the opinion that a NSL road (with NSL signage) was 30mph. Tuesday it was a car that drew up alongside at a road about, this evening a car that followed me into the supermarket carpark. Neither would have it that an NSL single-carriageway road is 60mph.
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Have this all the time as my commute is cross country. I don't know what it is, whether people don't feel comfortable with the speed or whether they are so oblivious as to not even notice the changes in speed (so 40 everywhere will do). But it's bloody irritating to be stuck behind a long chain of cars on a wide, smooth, well sighted A/B road.t driving standards, but it seems that a significant about of time I spend on NSL single-carriageway roads is being stuck behind someone doing 25-30mph.Worse, two drivers this week have lambasted me, having overtaken them, both with the opinion that a NSL road (with NSL signage) was 30mph. Tuesday it was a car that drew up alongside at a road about, this evening a car that followed me into the supermarket carpark. Neither would have it that an NSL single-carriageway road is 60mph.
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Peugeots and Vauxhall's are the main culprits but I've had everything right up to an M4 doing it (though I suspect he was preoccupied as he was also wandering all over the road).
The most special thing I have seen is people actually braking going into an NSL from a 40 or 50. I mean what? Why would you do that?
Also people who are willing to pick the pace up a bit...but only if the road is arrow straight and nothing is coming the other way. Every slight bend or curve is met with strong braking and also constant brake dabbing for any approaching vehicle.
To be honest so many people drive like this I'm beginning to think it is me who is wrong. So many just don't want to even attempt to make decent progress, they don't even attempt to do the limit (I know, limit not a target...but doing half the limit on a good road is nonsense.)
Then you should see what it's like when it isnt dry, bright and sunny. Any kind of deviations from perfect knock another few mph off. And if there is a light dusting of snow visible on the grass verge (think Victoria sponge with a meager sprinkling of icing sugar) then all bets are off...you're going to work in a 15 mph road train. I'm not kidding.
I had one guy two cars in front of me once that would not over take a cyclist! Even when the road became straight and you could see clearly for some considerable distance that there were no cars approaching. I think I sat there doing < 10mph for about 30 seconds because I just wasn't sure what he was going to do (would he suddenly decide to overtake whilst I was overtaking him?). In the end I went for it and presumably because I never saw anyone else in my rear view mirror for the rest of the time on that road, that he never did overtake the cyclist and no one else decided to overtake him!!!
Did the dreaded Speed Awareness thing a few months ago, and many of the people were convinced that NSL on single carriageway was 50 and dual carriageway 60. To be fair (why?) the "natural" speed for most of the traffic on NSL single does tend to be around 50, very few people work up to 60 unless it is a very open road with clear visibility.
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