Speeding 55 in a 40... NIP arrives 24 days after
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Would really appreciate advice... is it true that these things can be appealed if they arrive after 14 days? See screenshot below.
Yes I was caught fair and square but in my defence, those average speed cameras were only installed the month before and it's on a route I was unfamilar with. No real excuse... but just context.
Yes I was caught fair and square but in my defence, those average speed cameras were only installed the month before and it's on a route I was unfamilar with. No real excuse... but just context.
In that case the lease co will have got the NIP and nominated you as the driver. The 14 day rule only applies to the original NIP sent to the registered keeper (lease co.). Given that its now only 24 days later and they have received it, nominated you and sent another letter to you this almost definitely happened within time so unlikely to be a get out I'm afraid.
Castamere said:
Would really appreciate advice... is it true that these things can be appealed if they arrive after 14 days? See screenshot below.
Yes I was caught fair and square but in my defence, those average speed cameras were only installed the month before and it's on a route I was unfamilar with. No real excuse... but just context.
How does that form a defence?Yes I was caught fair and square but in my defence, those average speed cameras were only installed the month before and it's on a route I was unfamilar with. No real excuse... but just context.
Are you saying that when the cameras are not there you exceed the limit because there is no enforcement? A poor defence indeed...give it a go.
Castamere said:
Would really appreciate advice... is it true that these things can be appealed if they arrive after 14 days? See screenshot below.
Yes I was caught fair and square but in my defence, those average speed cameras were only installed the month before and it's on a route I was unfamilar with. No real excuse... but just context.
Brockholes Brow on the approach to the M6? sYes I was caught fair and square but in my defence, those average speed cameras were only installed the month before and it's on a route I was unfamilar with. No real excuse... but just context.
t drivers meant that dropped from a 60 to a 40 and even stter drivers have now forced average speed cameras on us. Some other great driving roads have been ruined tooLee540 said:
Back in 2015 when I was caught speeding, my NIP didn't arrive for 3 months..
Still ended up with 6 points and a £500 fine..
Still ended up with 6 points and a £500 fine..
Lee540 said:
Nah, my own vehicle.. I got stopped and given caution at roadside. Then forgot about it, paperwork turned up 3 months later with the court date just 2 weeks after that!
You might want to revisit your understanding of what a NIP is. You received yours verbally at the roadside. NIPs are only posted to you when you weren’t stopped to advise you unsurprisingly of the intention to prosecute. There’s also a S172 for you to advise them who the driver was. Again, not needed when you’ve been stopped. Quite often the paperwork and court date don’t arrive until a few days before six months has elapsed.
Gavia said:
Lee540 said:
Back in 2015 when I was caught speeding, my NIP didn't arrive for 3 months..
Still ended up with 6 points and a £500 fine..
Still ended up with 6 points and a £500 fine..
Lee540 said:
Nah, my own vehicle.. I got stopped and given caution at roadside. Then forgot about it, paperwork turned up 3 months later with the court date just 2 weeks after that!
You might want to revisit your understanding of what a NIP is. You received yours verbally at the roadside. NIPs are only posted to you when you weren’t stopped to advise you unsurprisingly of the intention to prosecute.
As I understand it, there is less responsibilty on you to identify the driver than there is on the registered keeper, and given the fact that a significantly larger amount of time has passed since the offence took place this can be used in your defence. (if you feel unable to identify the driver) (Just because the NIP is addressed to you doesn't mean you are the driver, unless no one else is allowed to drive your car)
jm doc said:
As I understand it, there is less responsibilty on you to identify the driver than there is on the registered keeper, and given the fact that a significantly larger amount of time has passed since the offence took place this can be used in your defence. (if you feel unable to identify the driver) (Just because the NIP is addressed to you doesn't mean you are the driver, unless no one else is allowed to drive your car)
OP, I’d suggest completely ignoring this drivel. jm doc said:
As I understand it, there is less responsibilty on you to identify the driver than there is on the registered keeper, and given the fact that a significantly larger amount of time has passed since the offence took place this can be used in your defence. (if you feel unable to identify the driver) (Just because the NIP is addressed to you doesn't mean you are the driver, unless no one else is allowed to drive your car)
It's my understand you are not aware what an S172 request is.Do you honestly think that standing in court and saying "well magistrates, I think it's the lease company's responsibility to identify the driver far more than it is mine" is really going to go well for anyone?
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