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I raised this here and not NP&E in an attempt to keep to the legal side of things and keep politics out of this, probably in vain, but lets try. If you want to discuss NP&E aspects there is an thread for that already..
Assuming reports are correct and that only state actors have this capability, is the Nerve Agent incident in Salisbury an Act of War in terms of international law?
Assuming reports are correct and that only state actors have this capability, is the Nerve Agent incident in Salisbury an Act of War in terms of international law?
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Thursday 8th March 12:14
Red 4 said:
No.
It wasn't an action against this country/ an act to provoke a war - an individual was targeted.
If it had been a Prime Minister, yes I know who would care, would that just be an individual thing?It wasn't an action against this country/ an act to provoke a war - an individual was targeted.
Could be just Putin making a point or even to provoke a reaction he can then use to look good at responding to for election purposes.
Gavia said:
Like the Archduke Franz Ferdinand? That promoted a fairly major war to say the least.
These days, I'd say it would be more likely to be classed as an act of war if Russian troll bots targeted facetube or something.Anyhow, the last I heard the Ruskies were denying all knowledge of a nerve agent attack. Have I missed something or have they invaded Poland now ?
Red 4 said:
These days, I'd say it would be more likely to be classed as an act of war if Russian troll bots targeted facetube or something.
Anyhow, the last I heard the Ruskies were denying all knowledge of a nerve agent attack. Have I missed something or have they invaded Poland now ?
They’ll obviously deny it. It’s unlikely that most news outlets would be so explicit about it being Russian activity unless that’s the reality of it. Putin seems to be getting ever more brash with his actions outside Russia now that he’s a de facto lifetime leader of the country. Anyhow, the last I heard the Ruskies were denying all knowledge of a nerve agent attack. Have I missed something or have they invaded Poland now ?
Poland being invaded was WWII btw, Franz Ferdinand was WWI.
it wasn't an act of war when they blew an airplane and killed a load of Dutch people so i doubt this is ! Whats odd is
1) this method of execution doest seem effective (the target is alive and talking)
2) seems pretty haphazard as 3 people hurt
3) Would be pretty bloody obvious who the finger would be pointed at.
Here's my conspiracy theory, the target was the police man, the rest is all a cover up the the Russians will take the blame for.
Would make a good movie
1) this method of execution doest seem effective (the target is alive and talking)
2) seems pretty haphazard as 3 people hurt
3) Would be pretty bloody obvious who the finger would be pointed at.
Here's my conspiracy theory, the target was the police man, the rest is all a cover up the the Russians will take the blame for.
Would make a good movie
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-43260651
Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
lyonspride said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-43260651
Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
No they don't; they're flying in international airspace.Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
Halmyre said:
lyonspride said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-43260651
Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
No they don't; they're flying in international airspace.Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/904833/RAF-typho...
And it's a much more common occurrence than most of us realise, because we only hear about it when somebody reports a sonic boom overhead from the RAF Typhoons they usually send up.
lyonspride said:
Come on , you can't take the Express seriously, especially where Russia is concerned.It wasn't long ago they were claiming Russian scientists had weaponised a deep sea creature they had caught which had killed one of their scientists even after it had died (see otehr articles), and had put a diver in a trance before dismembering him, etc etc etc
https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/735175/vladim...
Yes, it is a war crime and an act of war.
Russia has (allegedly) dropped a Russian chemical weapon on British soil and British land and British territory and British buildings and gassed British people and gassed British emergency services.
It is no different to Saddam gassing the Kurds or Assad gassing the Syrians.
However, the real-politik of the situation is that Britain, nowadays, is economically and militarily a pipsqueak and there is nothing the UK can do about it. Any war with Russia would last about 2 days. It's like an episode of the Simpsons, where big Nelson beats up little Bart, and Bart just stands glum and takes it. All a bit depressing.
Russia has (allegedly) dropped a Russian chemical weapon on British soil and British land and British territory and British buildings and gassed British people and gassed British emergency services.
It is no different to Saddam gassing the Kurds or Assad gassing the Syrians.
However, the real-politik of the situation is that Britain, nowadays, is economically and militarily a pipsqueak and there is nothing the UK can do about it. Any war with Russia would last about 2 days. It's like an episode of the Simpsons, where big Nelson beats up little Bart, and Bart just stands glum and takes it. All a bit depressing.
lyonspride said:
Halmyre said:
lyonspride said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-43260651
Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
No they don't; they're flying in international airspace.Very next day:a Russian spy and his daughter are "attacked". I mean how much of a coincidence is that?
There is more to all this than any of us realise, we're led down the garden path and I suspect it's most likely to sway public opinion against Russia on some sort of issue regarding Syria, perhaps even a push to send our forces out there "boots on the ground".
Is it an act of war? No, because the Russians know we won't do anything, hell they've been sending war planes into our airspace for decades (sometimes we hear about it) and all we do is send a few RAF planes up to politely request that they leave..
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/904833/RAF-typho...
And it's a much more common occurrence than most of us realise, because we only hear about it when somebody reports a sonic boom overhead from the RAF Typhoons they usually send up.
Daily Express said:
Despite a number of close calls, no Russian plane has ever strayed into UK sovereign airspace
4x4Tyke said:
I raised this here and not NP&E in an attempt to keep to the legal side of things and keep politics out of this, probably in vain, but lets try. If you want to discuss NP&E aspects there is an thread for that already..
Assuming reports are correct and that only state actors have this capability, is the Nerve Agent incident in Salisbury an Act of War in terms of international law?
I'm not 100% up on my articles of war, but it could be if the country decides to interpret it as such. Casus belli is an act or event that provokes or is used to justify war, so they can really be anything and isn't really a thing in international law. An "act of war" is used more to justify a declaration of war to a countries own population or to exert diplomatic pressure on enemies to get them to accede to your demands.Assuming reports are correct and that only state actors have this capability, is the Nerve Agent incident in Salisbury an Act of War in terms of international law?
But others have said it was targeted at an individual so I don't think most nations would go to war over it.
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