Likely done for speeding on M25 - any point in appealing?

[bairn7]

Hi all

I'm really annoyed because I've just driven down from Scotland to London and stuck (almost) relilgiously to the speed limit (plus 2 or 3 mph) on cruise the whole way. I get on to M25 and the speed limit is 50. I see from the upcoming gantry that NSL applies again so I accelerate to 70. I then notice too late that the very next gantry (not far down the road) takes the speed limit back down to 50 again. I brake reasonably hard to get down to speed but I think I was c56-57 mph passing the gantry. There were speed camera flashes, although I don't know if they apply to me or to another car (I can't remember if there were faster cars around me).

Anyway, I'm probably clutching at straws, but if I get NIP is there any point in appealing on the basis of hte quick change in speed limits? I have it on dashcam. I already have 6 points (completely my fault) but at least 3 are due to expire very shortly.

I'm guessing the responses will be along the lines of it's my own fault, and I accept that. But thought I'd ask anyway!

Cheers

[cmaguire]

You probably shouldn't have admitted to the previous 6 points. You've signed your own death warrant.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Nope.

That quick change in limits that you couldn't react to might have been a stationary vehicle or some other quick change in circumstances. I don't think I'd want to be admitting to that!

[journeymanpro]

There is no appeal. Go to court to convince them.

[anonymous-user]

Take the points if they come. As defences go “I didn’t see the illuminated sign until it was too late” is.... um....... brave.

[ashleyman]

Post the footage.

I thought there was a delay between the limit changing and enforcement starting?

[Vipers]

ashleyman said:

Post the footage.

I thought there was a delay between the limit changing and enforcement starting?

There must be, you are 3 metres at 70 from a gantry showing NSL and it changes to 50, can't be zapped surely.

[SS2.]

It doesn't read to me that the limit changed as he passed under the gantry, more that he didn't realise the gantry was showing a reduced speed limit.

And yes, there is a delay between the gantry showing a lower speed limit and that limit actually taking effect.

[TooMany2cvs]

Unlikely that 56-57 in a 50 will get you a ticket - but if it does, are you good for a course, or have you done one in the last three years as well as the other 6pts?

[jonwm]

When I got a nip for a gantry speeding offence (nsl) the photo had the time it had been at that speed or in my case not showing a reduced one

[V8 Fettler]

jonwm said:

When I got a nip for a gantry speeding offence (nsl) the photo had the time it had been at that speed or in my case not showing a reduced one

What was your speed?

[Puggit]

Unfortunately changing speed limits from one gantry to the next is very common on the M25. They don't manage them at all well. I think 6 or 7 different limits in short proximity is my record.

[ghe13rte]

Puggit said:

Unfortunately changing speed limits from one gantry to the next is very common on the M25. They don't manage them at all well. I think 6 or 7 different limits in short proximity is my record.

If you set out to observe the limits indicated there isn't a problem. Just follow the instructions in the big red circles.

[parabolica]

Vipers said:

ashleyman said:

Post the footage.

I thought there was a delay between the limit changing and enforcement starting?

There must be, you are 3 metres at 70 from a gantry showing NSL and it changes to 50, can't be zapped surely.

A 60 second delay according to the SAC I attended a year ago. However given the camera flashed may suggest the limit had been displayed long enough and the OP didn't realize it given he had just gone through a NSL gantry a few meters before hand.

Guess you'll have a nervous 14 day wait OP.

[Eddieslofart]

Puggit said:

Unfortunately changing speed limits from one gantry to the next is very common on the M25. They don't manage them at all well. I think 6 or 7 different limits in short proximity is my record.

A10 to the M11 ?

[martinbiz]

cmaguire said:

You probably shouldn't have admitted to the previous 6 points. You've signed your own death warrant.

And that makes a difference because........

OP, if you were showing 56 or 57 it's probably a true 53/54 so vanishingly unlikely to result in a NIP forget it and carry on, the flashes were probably for someone else if it was busy.

[cmaguire]

martinbiz said:

And that makes a difference because........

OP, if you were showing 56 or 57 it's probably a true 53/54 so vanishingly unlikely to result in a NIP forget it and carry on, the flashes were probably for someone else if it was busy.

It makes a difference because it feeds all the self-righteous sanctimonious preachers exactly what they want.

[martinbiz]

cmaguire said:

It makes a difference because it feeds all the self-righteous sanctimonious preachers exactly what they want.

Ah sarcasm, gotcha, for a minute I thought you were just adding to the knob count

[bob2146]

I’m sure I read somewhere that if everyone fought their speeding tickets at every stage, by pleading not guilty to each one and making them pursue everything through the court system rather than rolling over and being thankful of a fixed penalty the whole “speeding tax” collection service would grind to a halt.

Of course I’m not advising this particular course of action, I presume the bds probably try to discourage this anyway by threatening to add more points (like the old ‘failing to provide the driver details’ wheeze when the max penalty used to be three points, happy days before it was upped to six i.e. what did you have to lose) but certainly something to bear in mind...

Edited by bob2146 on Tuesday 3rd April 21:58

[martinbiz]

bob2146 said:

I’m sure I read somewhere that if everyone fought their speeding tickets at every stage, by appealing each one and making them pursue everything through the court system rather than rolling over and being thankful of a fixed penalty the whole “speeding tax” collection service would grind to a halt.

Of course I’m not advising this particular course of action, I presume the bds probably try to discourage this anyway by threatening to add more points (like the old ‘failing to provide the driver details’ wheeze when the max penalty used to be three points, happy days before it was upped to six i.e. what did you have to lose) but certainly something to bear in mind...

You presume right, it would cost you a minimum of a grand and probably extra points to take a spurious NG plea to court. Minimum £620 costs before you even start with the fine