Yellow box + traffic lights

[speedking31]

Quick Highway Code clarification. Rule 174 about box junctions has an associated picture showing a car that shouldn't enter a box junction, despite the green traffic lights. It has stopped at the STOP line for the lights, rather than the edge of the box. (It isn't moving because the other moving vehicles have 'trails' behind them.)

I think that the lights and box are separate control mechanisms and he should stop at the edge of the yellow box.

Anyone disagree?

[Foliage]

They aren't seperate

[KevinCamaroSS]

Foliage said:

They aren't seperate

Agreed, the lights are the control mechanism for the box junction.

[speedking31]

So if the box is blocked but the lights are green, you stop at the STOP line for the lights, not at the edge of the box?

[PF62]

speedking31 said:

So if the box is blocked but the lights are green, you stop at the STOP line for the lights, not at the edge of the box?

Yes, because if you pull up to the box and the lights change you are then parked in the middle of the pedestrian crossing and are then a total knob.

[speedking31]

What if there are railings around the edge of the pavement to prevent pedestrians crossing and no marked pedestrian crossing?

[48k]

Has a "friend" of yours received a NIP by any chance?