Ticket for loading in "Loading bay"...????
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What are your thoughts and what have I misunderstood??
Parked in the below bay for 5 mins, loading, and I got a ticket from TFL as I was observed by a CCTV operator.
I was driving a car, picking up dry cleaning and did not overstay.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4646013,-0.26650...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4646766,-0.26642...
Thoughts and wording if an appeal is thought to be valid??
Parked in the below bay for 5 mins, loading, and I got a ticket from TFL as I was observed by a CCTV operator.
I was driving a car, picking up dry cleaning and did not overstay.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4646013,-0.26650...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4646766,-0.26642...
Thoughts and wording if an appeal is thought to be valid??
eybic said:
It would seem that TFL consider a loading bay usage to be for "bulky" items that need a vehicle to transport, dry cleaning doesn't fall into this category unless you were having a chest of drawers dry cleaned.
As indicated by the sign the OP linked to showing sack trucks being used.Highway Code says
"Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
"Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Edited by Vipers on Friday 27th April 15:26
Next time put your silk underwear (dry cleaning) in an enormous cardboard box that just fits into the back of the car.
Fridge size minimum.. Then get one of those little folding sack barrows and wheel it in on that.
Pretend to struggle with that into shop etc.. That's clearly loading/unloading..
Obviously if the sign restricts loading to goods vehicles your stuffed.
Fridge size minimum.. Then get one of those little folding sack barrows and wheel it in on that.
Pretend to struggle with that into shop etc.. That's clearly loading/unloading..
Obviously if the sign restricts loading to goods vehicles your stuffed.
Edited by peterperkins on Friday 27th April 15:38
Vipers said:
Highway Code says
"Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Thanks Vipers."Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Edited by Vipers on Friday 27th April 15:26
I took the generic picture of a human with a trolley to mean loading/unloading. I did not take it to mean that I had to have a trolley to qualify for the fact. In the same way, a disabled person could park there even if the wheelchair did not look exactly like the one in the picture. It is a representation of being disabled in the same way that the trolley represents the generic meaning of loading; to me!
The Red Routes in London were fiercely criticised as they were going to kill the local trade. No parking from 7 am - 7 pm. The loading bays (which my understanding is this is one) were specifically put there to help the business owners keep the flow of customer traffic (excuse the pun) who would otherwise have nowhere to park.
It's gonna be appealed on these grounds.
Ps...4 duvets and a pair or curtains are heavy...!
I parked a big 3.5t van in a bay marked for loading just off of the Charing Cross Rd.
It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the
had issued me a ticket.
He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
.
It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the
had issued me a ticket. He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
. croyde said:
I parked a big 3.5t van in a bay marked for loading just off of the Charing Cross Rd.
It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the had issued me a ticket.
He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
.
Next time you have 50 boxes in the same situation, take 5 boxes on the 1st run, leave the back doors open and that's the only run you'll have to do; a shocking state of affairs.It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the
had issued me a ticket. He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
. I feel I've been conned and I'm sure I'm not alone.
The fight is on and I genuinely feel aggrieved by this. It is not right. I'm the first one to admit when I'm wrong when I feel I am; I feel I'm not in this case. Watch this space...
This could be the next PPI...!
Edited by 7795 on Friday 27th April 16:38
croyde said:
I parked a big 3.5t van in a bay marked for loading just off of the Charing Cross Rd.
It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the had issued me a ticket.
He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
.
What a cretin. And if you had left them open, and some little oik had jumped in the back to half inch some stuff, I'm sure we would have done his civic duty and intervened?.... no probably not.It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the
had issued me a ticket. He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
. justinio said:
croyde said:
I parked a big 3.5t van in a bay marked for loading just off of the Charing Cross Rd.
It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the had issued me a ticket.
He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
.
What a cretin. And if you had left them open, and some little oik had jumped in the back to half inch some stuff, I'm sure we would have done his civic duty and intervened?.... no probably not.It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the
had issued me a ticket. He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
. 7795 said:
Vipers said:
Highway Code says
"Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Thanks Vipers."Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Edited by Vipers on Friday 27th April 15:26
I took the generic picture of a human with a trolley to mean loading/unloading. I did not take it to mean that I had to have a trolley to qualify for the fact. In the same way, a disabled person could park there even if the wheelchair did not look exactly like the one in the picture. It is a representation of being disabled in the same way that the trolley represents the generic meaning of loading; to me!
The Red Routes in London were fiercely criticised as they were going to kill the local trade. No parking from 7 am - 7 pm. The loading bays (which my understanding is this is one) were specifically put there to help the business owners keep the flow of customer traffic (excuse the pun) who would otherwise have nowhere to park.
It's gonna be appealed on these grounds.
Ps...4 duvets and a pair or curtains are heavy...!
7795 said:
Vipers said:
Highway Code says
"Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Thanks Vipers."Lengths of road reserved for vehicles loading and unloading are indicated by a white ‘bay’ marking with the words ‘Loading Only’ and a sign with the white on blue ‘trolley’ symbol.
This sign also shows whether loading and unloading is restricted to goods vehicles and the times at which the bay can be used. If no times or days are shown it may be used at any time. Vehicles may not park here if they are not loading or unloading."
As stated above, I dont think picking up dry cleaning is not loading or unloading.
Nice E type in picture.
Edited by Vipers on Friday 27th April 15:26
I took the generic picture of a human with a trolley to mean loading/unloading. I did not take it to mean that I had to have a trolley to qualify for the fact. In the same way, a disabled person could park there even if the wheelchair did not look exactly like the one in the picture. It is a representation of being disabled in the same way that the trolley represents the generic meaning of loading; to me!
The Red Routes in London were fiercely criticised as they were going to kill the local trade. No parking from 7 am - 7 pm. The loading bays (which my understanding is this is one) were specifically put there to help the business owners keep the flow of customer traffic (excuse the pun) who would otherwise have nowhere to park.
It's gonna be appealed on these grounds.
Ps...4 duvets and a pair or curtains are heavy...!
eybic said:
It would seem that TFL consider a loading bay usage to be for "bulky" items that need a vehicle to transport, dry cleaning doesn't fall into this category unless you were having a chest of drawers dry cleaned.
In general that would be my thought, but surely a loading bay is intended for loading in relation to the actual adjacent businesses, not some hypothetical builders merchant? And the businesses on street view, apart from the dry cleaners are a coffee shop, a cobbler, an estate agent, a clothes shop, Dr Barnados and a solicitors office. None of whom sell anything heavier than dry cleaning.If it is intended only for deliveries to the shops, not for customers, why not say so?
OP, I wouldn't rely on the Highway Code. What counts are court/tribunal decisions.
You may find this helpful - https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/f...
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You may find this helpful - https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/f...
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croyde said:
I parked a big 3.5t van in a bay marked for loading just off of the Charing Cross Rd.
It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the had issued me a ticket.
He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
.
Jeeze, I actually consider myself lucky. I use a Suzuki Jimny as a van (they do actually sell a commercial version, mine is a normal 4 seater that's been altered from what it was new), I've actually pulled up and asked one of the local parking wardens if he'd ticket me if I used the loading bay to pick up some 20kg aggregate bags (I was loading 8 of them). He says he keeps an eye on the loading bay vehicles as he walks up and down the street, if he sees no activity at them within around 10 minutes he tickets them, although he also did mention he classes a boot/van door being open as activity. He says the vehicle doesn't matter to him, a lot of local yodel and other self employed delivery types use 'normal' cars, and a lot of tradesmen leave their vans there all day, the latter gets ticketed. It was still a good 100m from the shop I had to deliver 50 boxes of books to. I could manage 5 boxes on my trolley at a time.
Told the ticket guy what I was doing just to make sure it was all OK.
Came back after the first run and the
had issued me a ticket. He was still there. He pointed out that as I hadn't left the loading doors on the van open there was no proof that I was unloading.
. Although to the OP: It might be worth appealing the ticket with a receipt stub from your dry cleaning. You might be out of luck with TfL but a lot of local authorities I've heard accept appeals for parking in a loading bay if you can prove you where patroning a local business.
Edited by caelite on Friday 27th April 23:57
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