Crimestoppers, police, is this a joke.
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A few months ago I found out about some dodgy goings on that are happening in the upstairs of a city centre small retail shop premises. I decided to inform crimestoppers for reasons I cant go into or what is happening there.
So I fill in the online crimestoppers form, few months later nothing has happened. In my eyes Crimestoppers send this info to the local bib, they then look at it and then bin it or act on it.
Now what I cannot understand is why have the bib not done anything, its not like the bib are watching the shop as the crime would now be over due to the time involved, its not part of a larger investigation or anything that they need to delay for as I know the background and people involved behind the crime.
Maybe they have chosen to ignore it but seeing as this is a city centre location where they have police officers, PCSO there daily I would think they would just send one into the shop that is open daily to ask to take a look upstairs. bib/pcso's probably walk past the shop daily anyway.
So I fill in the online crimestoppers form, few months later nothing has happened. In my eyes Crimestoppers send this info to the local bib, they then look at it and then bin it or act on it.
Now what I cannot understand is why have the bib not done anything, its not like the bib are watching the shop as the crime would now be over due to the time involved, its not part of a larger investigation or anything that they need to delay for as I know the background and people involved behind the crime.
Maybe they have chosen to ignore it but seeing as this is a city centre location where they have police officers, PCSO there daily I would think they would just send one into the shop that is open daily to ask to take a look upstairs. bib/pcso's probably walk past the shop daily anyway.
Willy Nilly said:
Do you know for sure it hasn't or isn't being investigated or isn't part of an ongoing investigation or some sort. I get the impression that when the police are watching criminals, they don't sit outside their houses in marked police cars wearing hi-viz.
100% sure, like I said the crime is over now and they have missed the boat. Its a one off crime not part of organised crime, crime gang nothing like that just a one off for this first time criminal, he has knowone else connected to it so no watching other people.Edited by patientadvice on Monday 30th April 10:57
patientadvice said:
Willy Nilly said:
Do you know for sure it hasn't or isn't being investigated or isn't part of an ongoing investigation or some sort. I get the impression that when the police are watching criminals, they don't sit outside their houses in marked police cars wearing hi-viz.
100% sure, like I said the crime is over now and they have missed the boat. Its a one off crime not part of organised crime, crime gang nothing like that just a one off for this first time criminal, he has knowone else connected to it so no watching other people.Edited by patientadvice on Monday 30th April 10:57
Out of interest, what was happening?
lyonspride said:
I fear crimestoppers is something akin to a workplace suggestion box, it's basically a bin for stuff nobody want to deal with. The public gets to feel iike they've done something, the Police don't need so many people answering phones in a call centre.
I don't think that's accurate.https://crimestoppers-uk.org/keeping-safe/latest-c...
A crime in progress, ring 999 doesn't have to be a matter of life in death, it's still a crime in progress.
patientadvice said:
999 may not have been the best as it was not an emergency, 101 I would think.
I knew "just call 999/101" was coming but why does this crimestoppers/police not work. It gives me no faith in reporting crime.
It does work, perfectly well.I knew "just call 999/101" was coming but why does this crimestoppers/police not work. It gives me no faith in reporting crime.
Let's hear some more details so it can be explained to you.
If it was a grow then the police need a warrant to get in. You anonymously saying 'theres a cannabis grow above Greggs on the high street' won't be enough so satisfy a magistrate.
Greendubber said:
It does work, perfectly well.
Let's hear some more details so it can be explained to you.
If it was a grow then the police need a warrant to get in. You anonymously saying 'theres a cannabis grow above Greggs on the high street' won't be enough so satisfy a magistrate.
This has come up a few times recently. I was under the impression that police can enter a property if there is a crime in progress (or similar wording to same effect)?Let's hear some more details so it can be explained to you.
If it was a grow then the police need a warrant to get in. You anonymously saying 'theres a cannabis grow above Greggs on the high street' won't be enough so satisfy a magistrate.
e.g chasing a joyrider on foot into a property?
Am I wrong on this?
If not, is there a difference between those officers seeing the scrote run into the building, and being told my a member of the public that he's in there?
mbcx4jrh said:
Greendubber said:
It does work, perfectly well.
Let's hear some more details so it can be explained to you.
If it was a grow then the police need a warrant to get in. You anonymously saying 'theres a cannabis grow above Greggs on the high street' won't be enough so satisfy a magistrate.
This has come up a few times recently. I was under the impression that police can enter a property if there is a crime in progress (or similar wording to same effect)?Let's hear some more details so it can be explained to you.
If it was a grow then the police need a warrant to get in. You anonymously saying 'theres a cannabis grow above Greggs on the high street' won't be enough so satisfy a magistrate.
e.g chasing a joyrider on foot into a property?
Am I wrong on this?
If not, is there a difference between those officers seeing the scrote run into the building, and being told my a member of the public that he's in there?
If I'm chasing someone and they run into a house I can go in after them.
If I think cannabis is being grown in a house I need to go and get a warrant, unless of course I can see a guy in there tending to his grow. The grows always tend to be well wrapped up though, letter boxes sealed up, windows covered etc.
mbcx4jrh said:
This has come up a few times recently. I was under the impression that police can enter a property if there is a crime in progress (or similar wording to same effect)?
e.g chasing a joyrider on foot into a property?
Am I wrong on this?
If not, is there a difference between those officers seeing the scrote run into the building, and being told my a member of the public that he's in there?
There’s a set of specific circumstances as to when the police can force entry into a property - the more ‘spontaneous’ situations that entry might need to be forced (other than for a pre-organised search, or similar) are listed under section 17 of PACE.e.g chasing a joyrider on foot into a property?
Am I wrong on this?
If not, is there a difference between those officers seeing the scrote run into the building, and being told my a member of the public that he's in there?
In general, entry can be forced to arrest someone who has a committed an indictable (triable in crown court) offence who is believed (note - more than suspected) to be inside. An officer chasing someone who has committed a robbery who is seen by that officer to go into a property would qualify. A passer by saying they think they saw someone going in may not.
You can also force entry to arrest someone unlawfully at large (escaped from custody for example), to save life and limb or prevent serious damage to property, to carry out an arrest warrant issued by the court or to arrest someone for a list of specified offences set out.
Some other acts have powers of entry set out as well i.e. under the road traffic act, if an RTC has occurred and it is believed injury has been caused to a person, entry can be forced to a property if it is believed the driver is inside with the purpose of carrying out a breath test.
It can be surprising what the police can and can’t gain entry to a property for...!
Greendubber said:
patientadvice said:
999 may not have been the best as it was not an emergency, 101 I would think.
I knew "just call 999/101" was coming but why does this crimestoppers/police not work. It gives me no faith in reporting crime.
It does work, perfectly well.I knew "just call 999/101" was coming but why does this crimestoppers/police not work. It gives me no faith in reporting crime.
Let's hear some more details so it can be explained to you.
If it was a grow then the police need a warrant to get in. You anonymously saying 'theres a cannabis grow above Greggs on the high street' won't be enough so satisfy a magistrate.
The upstairs only has access in the retail shop its self, there is not even a door way just stairs (doors to rooms off the upstairs landing, none are locked) This is not a highstreet name shop its a small independant down a side road.
Im no expert but common sense would say to me. If we as a police force are not going to invesigate this crime or dont have enough to get a warrant but seeing as we have pcso wandering around the area every day I would send one in to ask some random questions, maybe suggest a report of loud noise/funny smell (pick somthing connected to the crime reported) and would you mind if I had a look around upstairs for this smell/noise.
Ok they have no right to seach it but the owners reaction would give the game away, or even after they left the owner is thinking thats close, their on to me, I best stop doing this resulting in the crime being stopped.
Edited by patientadvice on Monday 30th April 13:20
Edited by patientadvice on Monday 30th April 13:22
Edited by patientadvice on Monday 30th April 13:58
Unless you stop being so coy about the alleged crime you thought was being committed it is impossible to get any meaningful answers. The level of the crime will have massive effect on the action the police may or may not take at the time. Reporting you have seen someone brandishing a shotgun through the window may get a slightly different reaction to reporting people coming and going at all hours so you think there might be a weed factory in there.
as said earlier, if you thought a serious crime was being committed then dial 999
as said earlier, if you thought a serious crime was being committed then dial 999
Edited by martinbiz on Monday 30th April 13:36
martinbiz said:
Unless you stop being so coy about the alleged crime you thought was being committed it is impossible to get any meaningful answers. The level of the crime will have massive effect on the action the police may or may not take at the time. Reporting you have seen someone brandishing a shotgun through the window may get a slightly different reaction to reporting people coming and going at all hours so you think there might be a weed factory in there.
as said earlier, if you thought a serious crime was being committed then dial 999
I dont think there was crime I know 100% there was I saw it for myself, yes the crime involved a drug factory not somthing that needed 999 (maybe 101) as it was going knowwhere for a few weeks. as said earlier, if you thought a serious crime was being committed then dial 999
Edited by martinbiz on Monday 30th April 13:36
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