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My cleaning lady lives in a small village about four miles from me. At about three o'clock on Sunday morning, her eleven year old son said that their car alarm was going off and that he could see a masked and hooded man trying to get into it ( it is a VW Touareg ). She shouted down from an upstairs window, only to see another two men trying to jemmy the front door open. Her 17 year old daughter then ran into the room to report the presence of more men in the back garden ( she was unsure of the number, but thought two or three ). She dialled 999 and the police asked her if anyone had yet broken into the house. Because her husband works abroad and the police had advised them to have strong extra security fitted throughout on all doors and windows, she told the police that the men would be unlikely to get in, but could they get a police car to her house immediately.
She then saw them getting into a transit van and drive off with no lights.
The police arrived nearly ONE HOUR LATER. Naturally, she complained to them about the delay, only to be told that her call had been de-prioritised since she had told them that nobody had yet broken in and that the extra security would probably prevent them from doing so.
The police then told her that, should it happen again, she should say that she could see that they were about to get in, or that they were carrying a gun or guns.
She then saw them getting into a transit van and drive off with no lights.
The police arrived nearly ONE HOUR LATER. Naturally, she complained to them about the delay, only to be told that her call had been de-prioritised since she had told them that nobody had yet broken in and that the extra security would probably prevent them from doing so.
The police then told her that, should it happen again, she should say that she could see that they were about to get in, or that they were carrying a gun or guns.
Rosanne said:
My cleaning lady lives in a small village about four miles from me. At about three o'clock on Sunday morning, her eleven year old son said that their car alarm was going off and that he could see a masked and hooded man trying to get into it ( it is a VW Touareg ). She shouted down from an upstairs window, only to see another two men trying to jemmy the front door open. Her 17 year old daughter then ran into the room to report the presence of more men in the back garden ( she was unsure of the number, but thought two or three ). She dialled 999 and the police asked her if anyone had yet broken into the house. Because her husband works abroad and the police had advised them to have strong extra security fitted throughout on all doors and windows, she told the police that the men would be unlikely to get in, but could they get a police car to her house immediately.
She then saw them getting into a transit van and drive off with no lights.
The police arrived nearly ONE HOUR LATER. Naturally, she complained to them about the delay, only to be told that her call had been de-prioritised since she had told them that nobody had yet broken in and that the extra security would probably prevent them from doing so.
The police then told her that, should it happen again, she should say that she could see that they were about to get in, or that they were carrying a gun or guns.
bShe then saw them getting into a transit van and drive off with no lights.
The police arrived nearly ONE HOUR LATER. Naturally, she complained to them about the delay, only to be told that her call had been de-prioritised since she had told them that nobody had yet broken in and that the extra security would probably prevent them from doing so.
The police then told her that, should it happen again, she should say that she could see that they were about to get in, or that they were carrying a gun or guns.
ks. Everything about this story screams troll.
While jobs will get graded depending on urgency, I'd find it very unusual if my control room downgraded a job where at the time, masked and armed males were still trying to get in. If they'd already left and the caller had told them that, fair enough, but not while they're on scene. I'd actually be asking the question of them about why it's not an immediate response given that information.
Does also depend on what units are available at the time. If literally all units in the area and nearby areas were tied up with jobs they couldn't break away form, they have to prioritise somehow.
However this sounds more like the call handler/dispatcher has taken it a bit literally when the caller said they were unlikely to get in.
Assuming this is all 100% true....
Does also depend on what units are available at the time. If literally all units in the area and nearby areas were tied up with jobs they couldn't break away form, they have to prioritise somehow.
However this sounds more like the call handler/dispatcher has taken it a bit literally when the caller said they were unlikely to get in.
Assuming this is all 100% true....
cleaning lady on NMW yet house screams enough value for upto 6 people to try and break in, for th epolice to arrive an hour later - which isnt a bad response time considering nothing happened - and for the old bill to say 'next time lie and say they're loaded for bear'
sounds 100% true. oh, her old man is chuck norris filming his new movie on mars.
sounds 100% true. oh, her old man is chuck norris filming his new movie on mars.
LosingGrip said:
Rosanne said:
The police then told her that, should it happen again, she should say that she could see that they were about to get in, or that they were carrying a gun or guns.
bks. Everything about this story screams troll.
Chalkius said:
While jobs will get graded depending on urgency, I'd find it very unusual if my control room downgraded a job where at the time, masked and armed males were still trying to get in. If they'd already left and the caller had told them that, fair enough, but not while they're on scene. I'd actually be asking the question of them about why it's not an immediate response given that information.
Does also depend on what units are available at the time. If literally all units in the area and nearby areas were tied up with jobs they couldn't break away form, they have to prioritise somehow.
However this sounds more like the call handler/dispatcher has taken it a bit literally when the caller said they were unlikely to get in.
Assuming this is all 100% true....
At no time did my cleaner state to the police that the men were armed with anything but a crowbar or jemmy. She did not see any weapons at all. It was the police that told her to say that she should have said they were armed, in which case the police response would have been quicker than the sixty minutes it did take.Does also depend on what units are available at the time. If literally all units in the area and nearby areas were tied up with jobs they couldn't break away form, they have to prioritise somehow.
However this sounds more like the call handler/dispatcher has taken it a bit literally when the caller said they were unlikely to get in.
Assuming this is all 100% true....
kingswood said:
cleaning lady on NMW yet house screams enough value for upto 6 people to try and break in, for th epolice to arrive an hour later - which isnt a bad response time considering nothing happened - and for the old bill to say 'next time lie and say they're loaded for bear'
sounds 100% true. oh, her old man is chuck norris filming his new movie on mars.
I'm not at all sure what you're on about, but I will say that for the sake of brevity I omitted from my original thread that the villains of this piece kept shouting " Send Paddy down, we want to have a word with him ! ". There are no Paddies in her house, but there are two that live in a nearby Traveller's camp, so the police believe that the whole business was a case of mistaken identity, especially since the Touareg has an Irish number plate.sounds 100% true. oh, her old man is chuck norris filming his new movie on mars.
I reckon the cleaning lady was just hoping for a day or two off work during half term, so came up with the story, that the OP's posted on here, in the hope he'd give her some time off to recover 
Does anyone really believe that the Police actually encouraged someone to lie about what's happening, especially with the reference to guns, to get a quicker response?
Then we have the fact that the supposed criminals in this story just happen to know someone called "Paddy" and that the cleaner knows who "Paddy" is and that he lives on a nearby travellers encampment. I guess at least with this part of the story we've ticked a PH meme
This is about as believable as the guy who claimed his "brother" had hacked his PH account and posted about the PIT accident with a pink tracksuit wearing woman
Does anyone really believe that the Police actually encouraged someone to lie about what's happening, especially with the reference to guns, to get a quicker response?
Then we have the fact that the supposed criminals in this story just happen to know someone called "Paddy" and that the cleaner knows who "Paddy" is and that he lives on a nearby travellers encampment. I guess at least with this part of the story we've ticked a PH meme
This is about as believable as the guy who claimed his "brother" had hacked his PH account and posted about the PIT accident with a pink tracksuit wearing woman
kingswood said:
cleaning lady on NMW yet house screams enough value for upto 6 people to try and break in, for th epolice to arrive an hour later - which isnt a bad response time considering nothing happened - and for the old bill to say 'next time lie and say they're loaded for bear'
sounds 100% true. oh, her old man is chuck norris filming his new movie on mars.
I'm not at all sure what you're on about, but I will say that for the sake of brevity I omitted from my original thread that the villains of this piece kept shouting " Send Paddy down, we want to have a word with him ! ". There are no Paddies in her house, but there are two that live in a nearby Traveller's camp, so the police believe that the whole business was a case of mistaken identity, especially since the Touareg has an Irish number plate.sounds 100% true. oh, her old man is chuck norris filming his new movie on mars.
The 'advise to pretend there's a gun' sounds like BS.
As HantsRat says, the driving away would change the matter from an immediate to priority.
Some reading OP, if you're interested, about classification, risk assessment, grading and response.
Sounds like the rules were followed correctly.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
http://www.gmp.police.uk/live/Nhoodv3.nsf/WebAttac...
As HantsRat says, the driving away would change the matter from an immediate to priority.
Some reading OP, if you're interested, about classification, risk assessment, grading and response.
Sounds like the rules were followed correctly.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...
http://www.gmp.police.uk/live/Nhoodv3.nsf/WebAttac...
Just because theyve driven away doesnt mean they may not immediately return with the caller not having the opportunity to make a second call- the call handler and controller have the discretion to grade and deal with this incident as an immediate even if the suspects had made off. The force would have some searching questions to answer if when they did finally arrive , an hour later, the house had been entered and the caller found dead or injured.
Edited by Bigends on Wednesday 30th May 16:28
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