Sold car - not got NIP
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I sold my car - which was spares/repairs.
I didn't have the V5 as I was at uni (PhD student) but got my mother to send me a text with a copy and also got it sent. I then text the guy/trader who brought it repeatedly (and tried calling) for his details. In the end I've put it down as the business address where he said he was based.
However today I got a notice of intended prosecution saying for leaving it in a dangerous place... Saying I need to provide a name and address. I clearly don't have this.
I can prove it was sold - I have a bank transfer with the reg 4 days before the crime took place.
Any advice? Would a letter with the NIP being returned and a print of from my bank transfer details be acceptable? I wish I'd got a scrap man to take it away.
I know i've been a fool. And I know that I should have put "now" rather than NOT in the title.
I didn't have the V5 as I was at uni (PhD student) but got my mother to send me a text with a copy and also got it sent. I then text the guy/trader who brought it repeatedly (and tried calling) for his details. In the end I've put it down as the business address where he said he was based.
However today I got a notice of intended prosecution saying for leaving it in a dangerous place... Saying I need to provide a name and address. I clearly don't have this.
I can prove it was sold - I have a bank transfer with the reg 4 days before the crime took place.
Any advice? Would a letter with the NIP being returned and a print of from my bank transfer details be acceptable? I wish I'd got a scrap man to take it away.
I know i've been a fool. And I know that I should have put "now" rather than NOT in the title.
Edited by milkround on Wednesday 30th May 16:13
TooLateForAName said:
give the traders name & address with covering letter.
But I messed up... I don't actually know his name. Just know it's 'hollywood motors' and the name of the road. I also didn't register the change straight away and put the date down after this has happened. I got the money and just left it until I went to my mothers over the long weekend.
I also have the mobile number for the trader. But he isn't answering any calls/texts.
Got a horrible feeling I'm going to get stung here. Which for my own stupidity is fair enough. But it's not what I need.
Red 4 said:
Receiving the money doesn't mean the car was sold that day.
The car could have still been under your control.
You need to speak to the purchaser and provide his details.
He won't answer my calls or texts... The car could have still been under your control.
You need to speak to the purchaser and provide his details.
I shall tell the truth and see what happens. I have text messages showing he brought the car and also the bank transfer details. If I need to pay a fine i'll learn from my mistake and move on. But it is annoying.
You don't "need to pay the fine" because you haven't committed an offence. Why plead guilty to something you haven't done?
Just because the right paperwork wasn't completed and sent to the right place in time doesn't make you responsible for what happened to the car after you sold it.
Just because the right paperwork wasn't completed and sent to the right place in time doesn't make you responsible for what happened to the car after you sold it.
Well googling the telephone number worked...
I now have the company name etc... And I can show it was sold. I'm slightly annoyed they blanked my calls/texts but I can fill out the forms.
The car was registered in Hampshire. But I am living in Birmingham. The offence was commited about a mile from where I live. I sold a Laguna with a dodgy engine and the guy said he only wanted the gearbox. He said he'd drive it away. I said okay and got the bank transfer. I didn't have the v5 wich was silly - but I just wanted it gone.
I think it must have given up the ghost and he abandoned it. Turns out it's a company that specializes in vans. So I guess he collected it later. But the offense was committed 4 days after it was sold according to the NIP. I looked on google maps/streetview and am unsure how it would be dangerous to leave a car there. Unless it was in the middle of the road.
Either way - it seems they sell vans on ebay and have questionable feedback. I was late in registering the change in ownership due to them not responding to texts/calls and me being busy. And it's bitten me in the backside. If I need to pay a fine I'll accept my mistake.
I now have the company name etc... And I can show it was sold. I'm slightly annoyed they blanked my calls/texts but I can fill out the forms.
The car was registered in Hampshire. But I am living in Birmingham. The offence was commited about a mile from where I live. I sold a Laguna with a dodgy engine and the guy said he only wanted the gearbox. He said he'd drive it away. I said okay and got the bank transfer. I didn't have the v5 wich was silly - but I just wanted it gone.
I think it must have given up the ghost and he abandoned it. Turns out it's a company that specializes in vans. So I guess he collected it later. But the offense was committed 4 days after it was sold according to the NIP. I looked on google maps/streetview and am unsure how it would be dangerous to leave a car there. Unless it was in the middle of the road.
Either way - it seems they sell vans on ebay and have questionable feedback. I was late in registering the change in ownership due to them not responding to texts/calls and me being busy. And it's bitten me in the backside. If I need to pay a fine I'll accept my mistake.
milkround said:
Well googling the telephone number worked...
I now have the company name etc... And I can show it was sold. I'm slightly annoyed they blanked my calls/texts but I can fill out the forms.
The car was registered in Hampshire. But I am living in Birmingham. The offence was commited about a mile from where I live. I sold a Laguna with a dodgy engine and the guy said he only wanted the gearbox. He said he'd drive it away. I said okay and got the bank transfer. I didn't have the v5 wich was silly - but I just wanted it gone.
I think it must have given up the ghost and he abandoned it. Turns out it's a company that specializes in vans. So I guess he collected it later. But the offense was committed 4 days after it was sold according to the NIP. I looked on google maps/streetview and am unsure how it would be dangerous to leave a car there. Unless it was in the middle of the road.
Either way - it seems they sell vans on ebay and have questionable feedback. I was late in registering the change in ownership due to them not responding to texts/calls and me being busy. And it's bitten me in the backside. If I need to pay a fine I'll accept my mistake.
Just send the NIP back with the owners details and a covering letter, and let them sort it out. You've done nothing wrong. I now have the company name etc... And I can show it was sold. I'm slightly annoyed they blanked my calls/texts but I can fill out the forms.
The car was registered in Hampshire. But I am living in Birmingham. The offence was commited about a mile from where I live. I sold a Laguna with a dodgy engine and the guy said he only wanted the gearbox. He said he'd drive it away. I said okay and got the bank transfer. I didn't have the v5 wich was silly - but I just wanted it gone.
I think it must have given up the ghost and he abandoned it. Turns out it's a company that specializes in vans. So I guess he collected it later. But the offense was committed 4 days after it was sold according to the NIP. I looked on google maps/streetview and am unsure how it would be dangerous to leave a car there. Unless it was in the middle of the road.
Either way - it seems they sell vans on ebay and have questionable feedback. I was late in registering the change in ownership due to them not responding to texts/calls and me being busy. And it's bitten me in the backside. If I need to pay a fine I'll accept my mistake.
Sheepshanks said:
Why did you do that? Even the time could be important, never mind the date.
I was lazy. No other excuse really. I won't take/accept points and would rather go to court. I've got text messaged and evidence in the form of witnesses who know when the car was taken away.
Let's hope the police don't decide to be silly over this. A fine I can live with. But points on my license is a drama.
Lesson for the future to ensure the correct date/time is used on the paperwork when selling a car.
As for what to do now, the paperwork date is what it is so I would treat the date of sale as when the car was collected and the benefit is you have the bank transfer to prove this.
The best course of action is to reply to the NIP briefly stating that you had sold the car (on date when car was collected) and you are no longer the registered keeper. If I have read the OP correctly both of these statements hold true.
It's great that you have now found the company name so if purchased by a trader this is useful. If you need to trace the individual you can put the company name into companies house and it's possible the individual who bought the car from you is a director/secretary etc. If you have a multitude of names you can enter them into google/facebook and see if anyone matches the guy you sold the car to. If that proves successful you will have the individual name, company name, phone number and address to provide.
Beyond providing that information the car is no longer in your possession, you are no longer the owner and it's not your problem.
Lying to the authorities regarding an NIP is a serious offence so they are likely to take your statement at face value and you shouldn't worry further about it. Certainly I wouldn't be considering paying any fine or talking about points for an offence you haven't committed.
As for what to do now, the paperwork date is what it is so I would treat the date of sale as when the car was collected and the benefit is you have the bank transfer to prove this.
The best course of action is to reply to the NIP briefly stating that you had sold the car (on date when car was collected) and you are no longer the registered keeper. If I have read the OP correctly both of these statements hold true.
It's great that you have now found the company name so if purchased by a trader this is useful. If you need to trace the individual you can put the company name into companies house and it's possible the individual who bought the car from you is a director/secretary etc. If you have a multitude of names you can enter them into google/facebook and see if anyone matches the guy you sold the car to. If that proves successful you will have the individual name, company name, phone number and address to provide.
Beyond providing that information the car is no longer in your possession, you are no longer the owner and it's not your problem.
Lying to the authorities regarding an NIP is a serious offence so they are likely to take your statement at face value and you shouldn't worry further about it. Certainly I wouldn't be considering paying any fine or talking about points for an offence you haven't committed.
milkround said:
I sold my car - which was spares/repairs.
I didn't have the V5 as I was at uni (PhD student) but got my mother to send me a text with a copy and also got it sent. I then text the guy/trader who brought it repeatedly (and tried calling) for his details. In the end I've put it down as the business address where he said he was based.
However today I got a notice of intended prosecution saying for leaving it in a dangerous place... Saying I need to provide a name and address. I clearly don't have this.
I can prove it was sold - I have a bank transfer with the reg 4 days before the crime took place.
Any advice? Would a letter with the NIP being returned and a print of from my bank transfer details be acceptable? I wish I'd got a scrap man to take it away.
I know i've been a fool. And I know that I should have put "now" rather than NOT in the title.
It's bought.I didn't have the V5 as I was at uni (PhD student) but got my mother to send me a text with a copy and also got it sent. I then text the guy/trader who brought it repeatedly (and tried calling) for his details. In the end I've put it down as the business address where he said he was based.
However today I got a notice of intended prosecution saying for leaving it in a dangerous place... Saying I need to provide a name and address. I clearly don't have this.
I can prove it was sold - I have a bank transfer with the reg 4 days before the crime took place.
Any advice? Would a letter with the NIP being returned and a print of from my bank transfer details be acceptable? I wish I'd got a scrap man to take it away.
I know i've been a fool. And I know that I should have put "now" rather than NOT in the title.
Edited by milkround on Wednesday 30th May 16:13
Simply respond and tell the truth. The whole truth.
Do not tell any porkies at all as that is perverting the course of justice.
The wrong date being put on your sale notice to the DVLA is simply an admin error. Don’t worry about it.
Disclosing the new owner by their trading name only is fine especially if you can state the address too. You can only disclose what they told you. You can not be expect to audit your buyers details.
Golden rule. Tell the truth. You’ll be fine if it’s as you describe it in the OP.
Do not tell any porkies at all as that is perverting the course of justice.
The wrong date being put on your sale notice to the DVLA is simply an admin error. Don’t worry about it.
Disclosing the new owner by their trading name only is fine especially if you can state the address too. You can only disclose what they told you. You can not be expect to audit your buyers details.
Golden rule. Tell the truth. You’ll be fine if it’s as you describe it in the OP.
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