32 in a 30 zone - 3 points + £100 Scotland

[Tony-Danger]

As the title. A family member got clocked at 32mph in a 30 zone on the weekend. Copper pulled them and gave them a FPN. 3 points and £100.

Since we are in Scotland there's no option for speed awareness.

Do they just have to bite the bullet and pay up, or can it be fought?

[TheRainMaker]

Have you seen the ticket?

[Pica-Pica]

As far as I know the speed measuring equipment tolerance is normally 2mph (although we know vehicle speedometers are never designed to read under the actual speed). I would certainly ask questions.

[Tony-Danger]

TheRainMaker said:

Have you seen the ticket?

I haven't personally, but my other half has and so has another family member, both confirmed it's 32.

Annoying thing is there was a queue of 6 cars doing the same speed, he was at the back so he got pulled.

[Tony-Danger]

anonymous said:

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Yep and they're now facing a £100 fine and 3 points. I need to find some info that it can be challenged and won. Everything I can just find so far is people commenting online that there is a "10% tolerance" or a "10% + 2mph tolerance", but I can't find anything official, or anything that states if that's Scotland too, or just south of the border.

[donkmeister]

The question in my mind is "was it a 30mph limit?"... Does Scotland have conditional limits, i.e. a particular area drops to 20mph during certain hours, or when a light is flashing, or when Sturgeon is up on blocks etc.?

ETA Edinburgh seemed to be one big 20 zone when I was last there, and it looks like moves are afoot to make 20mph the default speed limit in built-up areas in Scotland...

Edited by donkmeister on Monday 30th July 16:31

[Tony-Danger]

donkmeister said:

The question in my mind is "was it a 30mph limit?"... Does Scotland have conditional limits, i.e. a particular area drops to 20mph during certain hours, or when a light is flashing, or when Sturgeon is up on blocks etc.?

Yeah I know the road, It's a small village on a 60mph road, 30mph through the village. Police often park their car on one of the corners so people speeding through the town don't see them until they've been clocked.



(30 zone in between the red lines, police regularly sit on the blue mark)

[BertBert]

I'd say no, there's nothing to be done. To fight it means going to court where the penalty gets higher and who would do that for £100 even Scottish ones and 3 points?
Bert

[Tony-Danger]

BertBert said:

I'd say no, there's nothing to be done. To fight it means going to court where the penalty gets higher and who would do that for £100 even Scottish ones and 3 points?
Bert

If paying up is the better option, then fair play. I suppose the next question would be, do 3 points severely impact insurance renewal costs?

[andy_s]

Possibly unrelated but Edinburgh coonsil were making a bit of a fuss about the cops only nabbing (or more importantly 'fining'...) 2 drivers a week over the past few weeks. No mention of course that the cash cow may not be delivering as people are just complying...

Usual Coonsil solution - more money needed.

[sunbeam alpine]

There seem to be a lot of sites suggesting that Scotland has a zero-tolerance approach to speeding, while others suggest the 10% + 2 you quoted.

I managed to find this - https://leasing.com/guides/speed-limit-fine-thresh...

What does it say on the ticket - is 32 the measured speed or the speed after correction?

I've been done for the equivalent of this over here (Belgium) - 1 kph over the limit AFTER correction. Measured speed 56 - corrected speed 51 - which is a bit galling.

At least over here we don't have points and it doesn't affect insurance......

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

3 points generally will not have too much impact (if any) on renewal costs unless the driver is young/inexperienced.

[kylos27]

Lawyer up mate.

[Ken Figenus]

Seriously? Crime detection at an all time low and they nab people for 2mph over? Doesn't make any sense.

[The Dangerous Elk]

Ken Figenus said:

Seriously? Crime detection at an all time low and they nab people for 2mph over? Doesn't make any sense.

Yes it does = MONEY

[Exige77]

BertBert said:

I'd say no, there's nothing to be done. To fight it means going to court where the penalty gets higher and who would do that for £100 even Scottish ones and 3 points?
Bert

Will the penalty get higher in court ?

What would the penalty be for 2mph over the posted limit at court ?

[PWeston]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

3 points generally will not have too much impact (if any) on renewal costs unless the driver is young/inexperienced.

I wish that were the case, my premium went up by c.40% after an SP30 (78 in a 60) which was 3 points and £100 fine. I’m 28 with 10 years NCB.

[Sheepshanks]

Tony-Danger said:

Yep and they're now facing a £100 fine and 3 points. I need to find some info that it can be challenged and won. Everything I can just find so far is people commenting online that there is a "10% tolerance" or a "10% + 2mph tolerance", but I can't find anything official, or anything that states if that's Scotland too, or just south of the border.

You can't find anything official because it isn't official, it's just guidance.

The limit is 30MPH. If the relative was doing 32 then on what basis are you going to challenge it? "It's not fair" probably won't be successful.

[BertBert]

Exige77 said:

BertBert said:

I'd say no, there's nothing to be done. To fight it means going to court where the penalty gets higher and who would do that for £100 even Scottish ones and 3 points?
Bert

Will the penalty get higher in court ?

What would the penalty be for 2mph over the posted limit at court ?

Because it's Scotland, there seems little guidance on what happens if you go to court and lose. However, It would be very odd for it to be the same as the fixed penalty by definition. If it was, everyone would give it a go!
Bert

[BertBert]

By the way OP, we'd really love to see the penalty notice - it might be a first on PH!
Cheers
Bert