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Hi all, I suspect I know the answer to this already but...
In an area pedestrianised and/or closed at certain times, if I'm parked before the no waiting comes into effect do I have to move?
For example, "No stopping after 8:30am"
I didn't, I stopped before 8:30am and left it there...
Essentially, what's the difference between parking, waiting and stopping?
N.b. Found this but there aren't any yellow lines at all.
Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in a Controlled Parking Zone) – see ‘Traffic signs’ and ‘Road markings’. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.
In an area pedestrianised and/or closed at certain times, if I'm parked before the no waiting comes into effect do I have to move?
For example, "No stopping after 8:30am"
I didn't, I stopped before 8:30am and left it there...
Essentially, what's the difference between parking, waiting and stopping?
N.b. Found this but there aren't any yellow lines at all.
Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown on nearby time plates (or zone entry signs if in a Controlled Parking Zone) – see ‘Traffic signs’ and ‘Road markings’. Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs. You MUST NOT wait or park, or stop to set down and pick up passengers, on school entrance markings (see ‘Road markings’) when upright signs indicate a prohibition of stopping.
Edited by Oceanrower on Monday 27th August 08:58
Oceanrower said:
...if I'm parked before the no waiting comes into effect do I have to move?
Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown
That's the important word. If you're "waiting or parking" during the times, bang-to-rights. No matter when you started.Rule 238
You MUST NOT wait or park on yellow lines during the times of operation shown
Oceanrower said:
Essentially, what's the difference between parking, waiting and stopping?
I always thought that "parking" mean that the driver left the vehicle, whereas "waiting" meant that they stayed in it. But to me, "stopping" means coming to a halt in any circumstance ... including traffic. But then IIRC the red route signs around London say "No stopping", which makes a nonsense of that.The pedestrianisation is irrelevant. The sign below that designates a Controlled Parking Zone within which yellow lines are not needed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_parking_z...
gothatway said:
I always thought that "parking" mean that the driver left the vehicle, whereas "waiting" meant that they stayed in it. But to me, "stopping" means coming to a halt in any circumstance ... including traffic. But then IIRC the red route signs around London say "No stopping", which makes a nonsense of that.
What would you like the sign to say “No Stopping, unless caught in congested traffic, or at a set of red traffic lights (oh and amber too, as that means stop as well), or at a pedestrian crossing, or if someone pulls out on you and blocks the road (and maybe if they don’t block the road, but make it awkward for you to get past, so you might need to stop for a moment), or at a roundabout where you have to give way to traffic approaching from the right, but don’t stop if there’s nothing coming, pay more attention to your driving, or <insert as many scenarios as you can think of>The OP also knows full well what the answer to his question is and to try to hide behind the exact wording used on a sign vs the actual statute underpinning that abbreviated sign is ridiculous
Gavia said:
What would you like the sign to say “No Stopping, unless caught in congested traffic, or at a set of red traffic lights (oh and amber too, as that means stop as well), or at a pedestrian crossing, or if someone pulls out on you and blocks the road (and maybe if they don’t block the road, but make it awkward for you to get past, so you might need to stop for a moment), or at a roundabout where you have to give way to traffic approaching from the right, but don’t stop if there’s nothing coming, pay more attention to your driving, or <insert as many scenarios as you can think of>
What a very strange post ! Did it make you feel good writing it ?gothatway said:
Gavia said:
What would you like the sign to say “No Stopping, unless caught in congested traffic, or at a set of red traffic lights (oh and amber too, as that means stop as well), or at a pedestrian crossing, or if someone pulls out on you and blocks the road (and maybe if they don’t block the road, but make it awkward for you to get past, so you might need to stop for a moment), or at a roundabout where you have to give way to traffic approaching from the right, but don’t stop if there’s nothing coming, pay more attention to your driving, or <insert as many scenarios as you can think of>
What a very strange post ! Did it make you feel good writing it ?gothatway said:
I always thought that "parking" mean that the driver left the vehicle, whereas "waiting" meant that they stayed in it. But to me, "stopping" means coming to a halt in any circumstance ... including traffic. But then IIRC the red route signs around London say "No stopping", which makes a nonsense of that.
Gavia said:
I did. I quite enjoyed mocking your frankly ridiculous post below:
So we're agreed. That's lovely. Have an internet point gothatway said:
I always thought that "parking" mean that the driver left the vehicle, whereas "waiting" meant that they stayed in it. But to me, "stopping" means coming to a halt in any circumstance ... including traffic. But then IIRC the red route signs around London say "No stopping", which makes a nonsense of that.
gothatway said:
Gavia said:
I did. I quite enjoyed mocking your frankly ridiculous post below:
So we're agreed. That's lovely. Have an internet point gothatway said:
I always thought that "parking" mean that the driver left the vehicle, whereas "waiting" meant that they stayed in it. But to me, "stopping" means coming to a halt in any circumstance ... including traffic. But then IIRC the red route signs around London say "No stopping", which makes a nonsense of that.
And no. You didn’t think.
Breadvan72 said:
Underneath the lamp light lantern, by the barracks gate.
Darling I remember how for me you used to ... think up tenuous legalistic arguments.
[To be sung to the tune of "Lili Marlene' - husky fags 'n' booze influenced German accent optional.]
FTFY. Darling I remember how for me you used to ... think up tenuous legalistic arguments.
[To be sung to the tune of "Lili Marlene' - husky fags 'n' booze influenced German accent optional.]
Vor der Kaserne,
vor dem großen Tor
Stand eine Laterne
und steht sie noch davor
So woll'n wir uns da wiederseh'n
Bei der Laterne woll'n wir steh'n
Wie einst Lili Marleen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dW-iS-q8Bk
Oceanrower said:
Hi all, I suspect I know the answer to this already but...
Good Oceanrower said:
In an area pedestrianised and/or closed at certain times, if I'm parked before the no waiting comes into effect do I have to move?
YesOceanrower said:
For example, "No stopping after 8:30am"
I didn't, I stopped before 8:30am and left it there...
You were still “stopped” after 8:30amI didn't, I stopped before 8:30am and left it there...
Oceanrower said:
Essentially, what's the difference between parking, waiting and stopping?
This isn’t directed at you but lots of people seem to have problems with parking signs. For example some people read a sign that says “No Parking” to mean “No parking unless you’re going for a haircut” or “No parking if you’re only going to be 30 minutes” , or “No parking unless you’re a twunt”.Anyway, did you get a ticket? If so, the ticket is likely to tell you what you did that you weren’t supposed to.
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