Electric (push!) Bikes days numbered??
Electric (push!) Bikes days numbered??
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7795

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1,071 posts

211 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Notwithstanding the recent hit and run in London a few days ago, they are just getting too fast.

One like this (below) went past me on the towpath in Ham the other day doing over 40mph. I was doing a paltry 15mph (100%) human powered and he whooshed past me all but silently. The Stealth brand can all do 60kph - 80kph.

https://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-h-52-...

No licence needed. No helmet needed. No insurance needed. No training needed. In this day and age, its staggering but will the H&S bods interject soon????

ETA...we hired similar bikes in SA and they will effortlessly, easily do 40mph.

budgie smuggler

6,060 posts

189 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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I don't think those are road legal here, I think they are limited to 20 mph or something.
edit: 15.5mph

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules

site said:
Its electric motor:

must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph

Bill

58,690 posts

285 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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7795 said:
No licence needed. No helmet needed. No insurance needed. No training needed. In this day and age, its staggering but will the H&S bods interject soon????
None of this is true if it's not restricted.

Bumblebee7

1,533 posts

105 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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If this looked more like a conventional bicycle I would definitely buy one. Would seriously consider this instead of my motorbike if I could take it down the canal and bike paths as it would be just as fast without the need to pay road tax, insurance etc etc. That being said I'm well aware these aren't actually allowed in the UK. But still...

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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budgie smuggler said:
I don't think those are road legal here, I think they are limited to 20 mph or something.
edit: 15.5mph

https://www.gov.uk/electric-bike-rules
site said:
Its electric motor:

must have a maximum power output of 250 watts
should not be able to propel the bike when it’s travelling more than 15.5mph
...and the Stealth linked to has a 5.2kW motor!

That's the same proportion over the legal power cap as somebody with an A1 125cc/11kW(15bhp) bike licence riding a 380bhp bike...

mac96

6,497 posts

173 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Surely these Stealth bikes are electric motorbikes and subject to the same requirements as a petrol powered bike? If not already, the law will soon catch up.

donkmeister

12,930 posts

130 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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7795 said:
Notwithstanding the recent hit and run in London a few days ago, they are just getting too fast.

One like this (below) went past me on the towpath in Ham the other day doing over 40mph. I was doing a paltry 15mph (100%) human powered and he whooshed past me all but silently. The Stealth brand can all do 60kph - 80kph.

https://www.stealthelectricbikes.com/stealth-h-52-...

No licence needed. No helmet needed. No insurance needed. No training needed. In this day and age, its staggering but will the H&S bods interject soon????

ETA...we hired similar bikes in SA and they will effortlessly, easily do 40mph.
Not needed in the same way that the nomadic irish lad riding his dirt bike down the pavement outside my house the other day didn't need them...

snake_oil

2,039 posts

105 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Not entirely infrequently I will get smashed by an electric bike doing 25mph+ in London. Quite often I can just about get in the tow for a nice draft but yes, the legality to me seems to be in question.

BertBert

21,270 posts

241 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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So for electric motorbikes (ie not EAPCs), how are they rated in contrast to CCs? Ie what could I ride on my old person's standard car licence? Either at the 50cc level without L plates or at the 125cc level with L-plates?
Cheers
Bert

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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BertBert said:
So for electric motorbikes (ie not EAPCs), how are they rated in contrast to CCs? Ie what could I ride on my old person's standard car licence? Either at the 50cc level without L plates or at the 125cc level with L-plates?
Based on power output.
AM - 4kW, A1 - 11kW, A2 - 20-35kW.

C70R

17,596 posts

134 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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7795 said:
One like this (below) went past me on the towpath in Ham the other day doing over 40mph
Classic bit of exaggeration. You should write for the Daily Mail.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

156 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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C70R said:
7795 said:
One like this (below) went past me on the towpath in Ham the other day doing over 40mph
Classic bit of exaggeration. You should write for the Daily Mail.
The manufacturer claims a top speed of 50mph.
There's a UK dealer - http://stealthbikeuk.co.uk/

If somebody is going to be riding an illegal US$11k electric bike like a complete bell end anywhere, it's going to be SW London...

cptsideways

13,884 posts

282 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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C70R said:
7795 said:
One like this (below) went past me on the towpath in Ham the other day doing over 40mph
Classic bit of exaggeration. You should write for the Daily Mail.
Try one & you will soon change your mind on that, essentially an electric crosser

Laurel Green

31,134 posts

262 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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An acquaintance of mine built one using a Boardman bike; inported a mid-drive motor and battery from China.
Goes like stink - over forty MPH. It's very easy to do indeed.

Cold

16,708 posts

120 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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anonymous said:
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They seem to be expensive. Multiple thousands for a starter bike (£5k or so).

JulianHJ

8,868 posts

292 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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anonymous said:
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The Stealth bike linked above is a shade over £10k.

I did a little research a while back and the mainstream bike manufacturers are anything from £1500 upwards. The ones that appealed to me were in the £5k-£7k range. I decided to stick with my Triumph.

matjk

1,112 posts

170 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Plus to qualify an electric bike needs to have peddles and they have to be the primary (in theory) method of power , in reality you can stick the assist up and choose a low gear and peddle gently but you still have to peddle , you stop the motor stops, mine also stops any assist at 15mph , it’s like hitting a brick wall ,

Laurel Green

31,134 posts

262 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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matjk said:
you stop the motor stops, mine also stops any assist at 15mph , it’s like hitting a brick wall ,
Does your bike have a mid-drive motor? Mine is in the rear wheel so anything above 15.5 MPH is fairly easy as there is no drag through the gearing as there is with mid-drive motors.

BertBert

21,270 posts

241 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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Are there any electric (motor) bikes approved for use in the UK? The non pedal variety.
Bert

Janluke

3,100 posts

188 months

Friday 31st August 2018
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BertBert said:
Are there any electric (motor) bikes approved for use in the UK? The non pedal variety.
Bert
Bultaco do a road legal and off road big ebike. Obviously the on road one requires number plate and insurance. "Proper" electric motorbikes, Zero is the first one to spring to mind but there are a few others