On road parking restrictions - clarification on signage
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Hi PH,
Trying to work out the parking restrictions and what exactly the signage means. The road has some single yellows with accomanying timed restrictions which is fine, those are clear. There are also marked bays on other areas of the road which are half on the road, half on the pavement. There is an accompanying sign stating parking in marked bays only:
There are many spots where there is no bay but ample room for a vehicle to park without blocking a drop kerb, a marked bay, restricting access to the road, and are not in the area covered by the single yellow.
Does this sign mean you cannot park in those areas at all, or you can only park with wheels on the pavement in a marked bay, meaning on road parking is not restricted as long as you're not on the single yellow in restricted times, blocking a drop kerb etc?
Trying to work out the parking restrictions and what exactly the signage means. The road has some single yellows with accomanying timed restrictions which is fine, those are clear. There are also marked bays on other areas of the road which are half on the road, half on the pavement. There is an accompanying sign stating parking in marked bays only:
There are many spots where there is no bay but ample room for a vehicle to park without blocking a drop kerb, a marked bay, restricting access to the road, and are not in the area covered by the single yellow.
Does this sign mean you cannot park in those areas at all, or you can only park with wheels on the pavement in a marked bay, meaning on road parking is not restricted as long as you're not on the single yellow in restricted times, blocking a drop kerb etc?
Park in marked bays only means park in marked bays only. HTH.
PS: The sign is telling you that you can park with one set of wheels on the kerb but only in marked bays. If the sign is in London that is good to know, because usually parking with wheels on a kerb is a no no in London boroughs. Other on street parking will be regulated by other signs or by default rules.
PS: The sign is telling you that you can park with one set of wheels on the kerb but only in marked bays. If the sign is in London that is good to know, because usually parking with wheels on a kerb is a no no in London boroughs. Other on street parking will be regulated by other signs or by default rules.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 4th September 13:47
Yes, this is in Havering BC.
Just looked up the sign in the TSRGD and as you say, it is specific to allowing parking on the pavement in marked bays only:
So if there is no bay, no yellow line or other restriction signed and you're not blocking the road or a drop kerb in doing so, it should be OK to park on the road?
The only other markings and signage are single yellows and accompanying signage at one end of the road, presumably to keep the junction apparoach free during busy periods.
Just looked up the sign in the TSRGD and as you say, it is specific to allowing parking on the pavement in marked bays only:
So if there is no bay, no yellow line or other restriction signed and you're not blocking the road or a drop kerb in doing so, it should be OK to park on the road?
The only other markings and signage are single yellows and accompanying signage at one end of the road, presumably to keep the junction apparoach free during busy periods.
SonicShadow said:
So if there is no bay, no yellow line or other restriction signed and you're not blocking the road or a drop kerb in doing so, it should be OK to park on the road?
Is this a hypothetical question or have you received a PCN? 
SonicShadow said:
The only other markings and signage are single yellows and accompanying signage at one end of the road, presumably to keep the junction apparoach free during busy periods.
A Google Maps link would be helpful.Breadvan72 said:
My interpretation of the situation accords with yours.
TSRGD 2016 makes it clear the sign is permissive (the accompanying wording is may, not must).It confers an exemption to the London wide ban on pavement parking.
However our opinion doesn't matter as much as how LB Havering chooses to interpret it..
If push were to come to shove, any dispute would fall to be decided by a London Tribunals adjudicator.
TooMany2cvs said:
SonicShadow said:
Does this sign mean ... you can only park with wheels on the pavement in a marked bay, meaning on road parking is not restricted as long as you're not on the single yellow in restricted times, blocking a drop kerb etc?
Yes.Best to check if its a CPZ before you park out of a bay and risk getting clobbered with a fine
If it's not a CPZ, then park on the road and make sure none of you wheels are on the pavement.
Breadvan72 said:
Red Devil said:
TSRGD 2016 makes it clear the sign is permissive (the accompanying wording is may, not must)....
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So what? No one is suggesting that anyone is forced to park anywhere.....
As always, a little learning is a dangerous thing.
Without the accompanying explanatory wording in TSRGD 2016, the sign could be interpreted as:
If you do choose to park you must do so in the marked bays.
Many blue background signs require mandatory compliance.
For example Diagrams 606/609/610 to name but 3. Others are informative.
A useful guide is that the former are round and the latter square or rectanguar.
AIUI there plenty of car drivers on SACs who think the NSL for a d/c is 60mph.
They would probably be unaware of the above mentioned difference as well.
A lack of knowledge can be just as dangerous as a little.
Peter911 said:
speedking31 said:
If the intent was to only permit parking in the bays then "Parking in marked bays only" would be sufficient. The pavementness of the bays does not matter.
I am amazed that there was a discussion between 'must' and 'may', but 'pavementness' doesn't batter an eyelid! Red Devil said:
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Without the accompanying explanatory wording in TSRGD 2016, the sign could be interpreted as:
If you do choose to park you must do so in the marked bays.
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That interpretation might perhaps occur to a barrack room lawyer who has not the first clue about legal reasoning. It would not occur to anyone who has half a clue. I am just saying. Without the accompanying explanatory wording in TSRGD 2016, the sign could be interpreted as:
If you do choose to park you must do so in the marked bays.
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Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 7th September 07:14
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