Details given to Police at the roadside. StilI expect a NIP?

[fergus]

I was recently stopped by the Police after accidentally going through a red light. All my details were taken at the scene, along with me providing my driving licence, etc. I was told I would be reported for the offence of running through a red light. I signed a slip with my details on it and received a yellow piece of paper explaining Herts Police stance on driver education, etc. but this did not contain any further information as to what happens next.

What are the likely next steps? Would I expect to receive a NIP, or is this not required as it is known who was driving. Do I just waiting for the Roads Policing Unit to issue either the ticket, or the SJPN? Is it the case that you are only able to be prosecuted for the offence written down on the slip at the roadside?

[Graveworm]

Being told that you are being reported is likely to be a verbal NIP. It's unusual that you weren't given an FPN there and then unless you are in jeapordy of losing your licence. There is no requirement for a further NIP but some forces send them anyway. The next steps are to wait. They still have the full range of options open to them. They have to start proceedings within 6 months but hopefully sooner than that.

[fergus]

Graveworm said:

Being told that you are being reported is likely to be a verbal NIP. It's unusual that you weren't given an FPN there and then unless you are in jeapordy of losing your licence. There is no requirement for a further NIP but some forces send them anyway. The next steps are to wait. They still have the full range of options open to them. They have to start proceedings within 6 months but hopefully sooner than that.

Thanks for the reply. I was not stopped by a traffic police car if that would have any bearing on things? I currently have a clean licence, and was told that there may be the offer of a driver awareness course, but that was not up to the officer who stopped me.

[Carlson W6]

They gave you a verbal NIP at the roadside so they now have 6 months to contact you regarding further action.
In my opinion, the fact they did not issue a fixed penalty at the roadside means you are probably going to get a summons to court.

There is a slim chance you passed the “attitude test” at the side of the road in which case you will hear nothing further. However, very few police will let off a red light offence with a warning in my opinion.

BTW, I’m not police or legal. Just a member of the public voicing an opinion.

[Pothole]

As someone who recently had the same experience, or near enough. Here's what happened.

The copper who took my details said he would be reporting me for the offence. A few weeks later I got a letter in the post telling me I could pay £100 and get 3 points or challenge the decision in court (IIRC). I was banged to rights so I paid and sent off my licence.

[fergus]

Carlson W6 said:

They gave you a verbal NIP at the roadside so they now have 6 months to contact you regarding further action.
In my opinion, the fact they did not issue a fixed penalty at the roadside means you are probably going to get a summons to court.

There is a slim chance you passed the “attitude test” at the side of the road in which case you will hear nothing further. However, very few police will let off a red light offence with a warning in my opinion.

BTW, I’m not police or legal. Just a member of the public voicing an opinion.

I was very courteous and accepted what I had done straight away when stopped.

Per http://www.nopenaltypoints.co.uk/notice-intended-p... this suggests that either an NIP or a summons must be received within 14 days of the date of the offence. Is this correct with respect to court summons?

[Carlson W6]

You received a verbal NIP at the roadside.

They now have 6 months to issue any further paperwork (ie offer of Fixed Penalty or Summons).

[fergus]

Carlson W6 said:

You received a verbal NIP at the roadside.

They now have 6 months to issue any further paperwork (ie offer of Fixed Penalty or Summons).

Thanks. Is it the case that if the course of action is a summons, I can only be summoned for the offence I was given a roadside NIP for (i.e. what was written on the slip I signed)?

[agtlaw]

fergus said:

I was recently stopped by the Police after accidentally going through a red light. All my details were taken at the scene, along with me providing my driving licence, etc. I was told I would be reported for the offence of running through a red light. I signed a slip with my details on it and received a yellow piece of paper explaining Herts Police stance on driver education, etc. but this did not contain any further information as to what happens next.

What are the likely next steps? Would I expect to receive a NIP, or is this not required as it is known who was driving. Do I just waiting for the Roads Policing Unit to issue either the ticket, or the SJPN? Is it the case that you are only able to be prosecuted for the offence written down on the slip at the roadside?

A written notice of intended prosecution is only required if you were not "warned at the time the offence was committed that the question of prosecuting [you] for some one or other of the offences to which [section 1] applies would be taken into consideration."

Potential outcomes:

- no further action
- course offer
- fixed penalty offer
- SJPN or Postal Requistion

Depends if the proposed offences requires a notice of intended prosecution.

[donkmeister]

You'll be OK - as someone who follows Beds/Herts/Cambs traffic unit on Twitter they are only interested in insurance and the "Fatal4":
1) speeding
2) pissed/stoned
3) lack of seatbelt
4) phone

Fortunately for you "driving through red lights" doesn't interest them. I've seen people jump red lights and cause near-misses from using the wrong lanes on roundabouts whilst the Herts police have been right there, watching them.

[anothernameitist]

fergus said:

Carlson W6 said:

You received a verbal NIP at the roadside.

They now have 6 months to issue any further paperwork (ie offer of Fixed Penalty or Summons).

Thanks. Is it the case that if the course of action is a summons, I can only be summoned for the offence I was given a roadside NIP for (i.e. what was written on the slip I signed)?

Make sure your address is correct on all forms of id otherwise you may not get the nip

[GC8]

agtlaw said:

A written notice of intended prosecution is only required if you were not "warned at the time the offence was committed that the question of prosecuting [you] for some one or other of the offences to which [section 1] applies would be taken into consideration."

Potential outcomes:

- no further action
- course offer
- fixed penalty offer
- SJPN or Postal Requistion

Depends if the proposed offences requires a notice of intended prosecution.

Many forces also used to have the required warning printed on the reverse of forms that you were given at the roadside.

[4rephill]

anothernameitist said:

fergus said:

Carlson W6 said:

You received a verbal NIP at the roadside.

They now have 6 months to issue any further paperwork (ie offer of Fixed Penalty or Summons).

Thanks. Is it the case that if the course of action is a summons, I can only be summoned for the offence I was given a roadside NIP for (i.e. what was written on the slip I signed)?

Make sure your address is correct on all forms of id otherwise you may not get the nip

As stated in the first post quoted above, the OP was given a verbal NIP at the roadside, therefore, there will not be a NIP coming in the post.

[martinbiz]

donkmeister said:

You'll be OK - as someone who follows Beds/Herts/Cambs traffic unit on Twitter they are only interested in insurance and the "Fatal4":
1) speeding
2) pissed/stoned
3) lack of seatbelt
4) phone

Fortunately for you "driving through red lights" doesn't interest them. I've seen people jump red lights and cause near-misses from using the wrong lanes on roundabouts whilst the Herts police have been right there, watching them.

What a load of b******s

[SimonjCDT]

Next time... do not sign for it and do not accept any paper work. politely of course. Then there is nothing they can do... other than falsely threaten to arrest you to scare you into taking the paper work. Or try and trick you into taking it.

[Lindun]

SimonjCDT said:

Next time... do not sign for it and do not accept any paper work. politely of course. Then there is nothing they can do... other than falsely threaten to arrest you to scare your u into taking the paper work. Or try and trick you into taking it.

In the words of Martinbiz:

martinbiz said:

What a load of b******s

[vaud]

SimonjCDT said:

Next time... do not sign for it and do not accept any paper work. politely of course. Then there is nothing they can do... other than falsely threaten to arrest you to scare you into taking the paper work. Or try and trick you into taking it.

When you post stuff like this, please cite well researched sources, lest you sound like a Freeman of the Land...

(it is BS)

[anonymous-user]

It’s a 14 month old troll - don’t feed it!

[vonhosen]

SimonjCDT said:

Next time... do not sign for it and do not accept any paper work. politely of course. Then there is nothing they can do... other than falsely threaten to arrest you to scare you into taking the paper work. Or try and trick you into taking it.

Whether you sign or accept paperwork matters not a jot.

[anonymous-user]

Yeah i got let off 150mph on the motorway once because I didn't sign the paperwork!

I also gave my name as john son of david and advised them my car was deregistered from dvla, oh and i refuse to accept the road traffic act as law so there charges didn't apply to me anyway.

Hth