Best approach to get speed reduction scheme installed
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https://www.gov.uk/request-speed-limit-change
Might also be worth dropping a line to the local police force with your concerns.
Might also be worth dropping a line to the local police force with your concerns.
Personally I wouldn't tempt fate. They came out and 're-assessed' the road outside my parents. It was similar to yours, a windy nsl road with some driveways on it. A few fatalities happened from people doing well in excess of 60, sensible speed was 40-50ish in the windy bit, then 60 when the road straightened out. (bit less if you where in anything wide). There where only driveways on one side as it was a coastal road.
So naturally the council came down and rolled out a 30mph speed limit along the windy bit and 40mph along the straight bit. NONE of the locals asked for that, this being Scotland even the old biddies in Jazzes still doddle along it at 50. And the idiots still fly along it well in excess of 60. All that has changed is every now and then the camera vans sit at a bit (layby at the 30-40 transition) and get locals doing 50 through the 40. Luckily enough the road is fairly narrow and there is no where else for the speed van to sit other than that layby. Supposedly they got a b
king for trying to park it in someones private driveway not so long ago though.
Personally that situation would put me off asking for any kind of road assessment. Councils never seem to be able to strike a happy medium, its either an unassessed nsl, or they turn it into a revenue road for their speed vans.
Contacting the local police regarding the folks well in excess of the NSL might be a good idea though, potentially posting a small CCTV camera on your gatepost. Your local force may have a task force set up to tackle footage of reckless driving, many now do.
So naturally the council came down and rolled out a 30mph speed limit along the windy bit and 40mph along the straight bit. NONE of the locals asked for that, this being Scotland even the old biddies in Jazzes still doddle along it at 50. And the idiots still fly along it well in excess of 60. All that has changed is every now and then the camera vans sit at a bit (layby at the 30-40 transition) and get locals doing 50 through the 40. Luckily enough the road is fairly narrow and there is no where else for the speed van to sit other than that layby. Supposedly they got a b
king for trying to park it in someones private driveway not so long ago though. Personally that situation would put me off asking for any kind of road assessment. Councils never seem to be able to strike a happy medium, its either an unassessed nsl, or they turn it into a revenue road for their speed vans.
Contacting the local police regarding the folks well in excess of the NSL might be a good idea though, potentially posting a small CCTV camera on your gatepost. Your local force may have a task force set up to tackle footage of reckless driving, many now do.
If you've got a few quid to spare, It could be worth following the suggestion I've seen elsewhere and grabbing a stbox or two to park up as traffic calming chicanes; It's not cheap to do properly (Legally parked on the road), but if there are others sharing your concerns it could be a temporary patch?
A clever solution I noticed whilst on a drive through oxford was the use of a roadside hedge, and a shoebox - It had been made to resemble a Gatso; (Nearly) Correct colour, a few lens like features most likely made of cardboard - Could probably be done for about £20. For maximum realism, you could chalk or spray out some fake measurement lines on the road.
If you want to get really involved, mount a lamp in there with a switch, and you'll be able to flash people that go by too fast
- A motion sensor if you really want to spook everyone!
tbox or two to park up as traffic calming chicanes; It's not cheap to do properly (Legally parked on the road), but if there are others sharing your concerns it could be a temporary patch?A clever solution I noticed whilst on a drive through oxford was the use of a roadside hedge, and a shoebox - It had been made to resemble a Gatso; (Nearly) Correct colour, a few lens like features most likely made of cardboard - Could probably be done for about £20. For maximum realism, you could chalk or spray out some fake measurement lines on the road.
If you want to get really involved, mount a lamp in there with a switch, and you'll be able to flash people that go by too fast
- A motion sensor if you really want to spook everyone!caelite said:
Personally I wouldn't tempt fate. They came out and 're-assessed' the road outside my parents. It was similar to yours, a windy nsl road with some driveways on it. A few fatalities happened from people doing well in excess of 60, sensible speed was 40-50ish in the windy bit, then 60 when the road straightened out. (bit less if you where in anything wide). There where only driveways on one side as it was a coastal road.
So naturally the council came down and rolled out a 30mph speed limit along the windy bit and 40mph along the straight bit. NONE of the locals asked for that, this being Scotland even the old biddies in Jazzes still doddle along it at 50. And the idiots still fly along it well in excess of 60. All that has changed is every now and then the camera vans sit at a bit (layby at the 30-40 transition) and get locals doing 50 through the 40. Luckily enough the road is fairly narrow and there is no where else for the speed van to sit other than that layby. Supposedly they got a bking for trying to park it in someones private driveway not so long ago though.
Personally that situation would put me off asking for any kind of road assessment. Councils never seem to be able to strike a happy medium, its either an unassessed nsl, or they turn it into a revenue road for their speed vans.
Contacting the local police regarding the folks well in excess of the NSL might be a good idea though, potentially posting a small CCTV camera on your gatepost. Your local force may have a task force set up to tackle footage of reckless driving, many now do.
This. So naturally the council came down and rolled out a 30mph speed limit along the windy bit and 40mph along the straight bit. NONE of the locals asked for that, this being Scotland even the old biddies in Jazzes still doddle along it at 50. And the idiots still fly along it well in excess of 60. All that has changed is every now and then the camera vans sit at a bit (layby at the 30-40 transition) and get locals doing 50 through the 40. Luckily enough the road is fairly narrow and there is no where else for the speed van to sit other than that layby. Supposedly they got a b
king for trying to park it in someones private driveway not so long ago though. Personally that situation would put me off asking for any kind of road assessment. Councils never seem to be able to strike a happy medium, its either an unassessed nsl, or they turn it into a revenue road for their speed vans.
Contacting the local police regarding the folks well in excess of the NSL might be a good idea though, potentially posting a small CCTV camera on your gatepost. Your local force may have a task force set up to tackle footage of reckless driving, many now do.
If they really are doing the sort of speeds you are saying then what makes you think they will see a 40mph sign and go, 'ah I must slow down to 40mph'.
Similar situation to near me where a rural road has been made 30mph for some length because of a few bends and houses every 100yards.
cb1965 said:
I wasn't thinking of limits (and don't think I mentioned reducing them) as the offenders will take no notice obviously, more some priority gates or physical calming measures. The road is barely wide enough for two cars and these idiots often force oncoming cars to put two wheels on the verge as they can't do those speeds on the edge of the road as it's too bumpy there so they drive in the middle.
If you put "priority gates" in, then they'll just tt through those at high speed, no? And heaven help anybody that happens to be coming the other way, with priority...Sounds like the only solution is to get in there with some form of registration recording - even if it's Doris in a folding chair with a clipboard - and get them reported. Get the local police on-side.
Soon as the first couple of s59s get issued, maybe a car gets seized if one of them is particularly hard of thinking, then word will spread, and the problem will go away.
Haltamer said:
If you've got a few quid to spare, It could be worth following the suggestion I've seen elsewhere and grabbing a stbox or two to park up as traffic calming chicanes; It's not cheap to do properly (Legally parked on the road), but if there are others sharing your concerns it could be a temporary patch?
A clever solution I noticed whilst on a drive through oxford was the use of a roadside hedge, and a shoebox - It had been made to resemble a Gatso; (Nearly) Correct colour, a few lens like features most likely made of cardboard - Could probably be done for about £20. For maximum realism, you could chalk or spray out some fake measurement lines on the road.
If you want to get really involved, mount a lamp in there with a switch, and you'll be able to flash people that go by too fast - A motion sensor if you really want to spook everyone!
The bigger issue would be having parking lights on 24/7 and the battery drain, subsequent charging etc.tbox or two to park up as traffic calming chicanes; It's not cheap to do properly (Legally parked on the road), but if there are others sharing your concerns it could be a temporary patch?A clever solution I noticed whilst on a drive through oxford was the use of a roadside hedge, and a shoebox - It had been made to resemble a Gatso; (Nearly) Correct colour, a few lens like features most likely made of cardboard - Could probably be done for about £20. For maximum realism, you could chalk or spray out some fake measurement lines on the road.
If you want to get really involved, mount a lamp in there with a switch, and you'll be able to flash people that go by too fast
- A motion sensor if you really want to spook everyone!
cb1965 said:
I wasn't thinking of limits (and don't think I mentioned reducing them) as the offenders will take no notice obviously, more some priority gates or physical calming measures. The road is barely wide enough for two cars and these idiots often force oncoming cars to put two wheels on the verge as they can't do those speeds on the edge of the road as it's too bumpy there so they drive in the middle.
They can't do those on NSL and since people are passing at 100mph and so far there have not been any KSIs I can't see the speed limit is inappropriate. They could do some speed enforcement but of course, again, that should follow KSIs.
cb1965 said:
I wasn't thinking of limits (and don't think I mentioned reducing them) as the offenders will take no notice obviously, more some priority gates or physical calming measures. The road is barely wide enough for two cars and these idiots often force oncoming cars to put two wheels on the verge as they can't do those speeds on the edge of the road as it's too bumpy there so they drive in the middle.
For such measures to be installed safely, they'd have to lower the speed limits to get most people to slow down enough to anticipate the calming measures. There are so many serial speeders around these days who totally disregard any legal speed limits, and other speed limiting measures, it is practically futile to persue any officially sanctioned reductions, however these manifest themselves.
Our local paper, wthout exception, prints every week a story of some road, school, residential home etc for a reduction in speed past their patch.
The LA always respond with the same answer. No accidents, no incidents, no fatalities on that or this particular stretch of road, and during a monitoring period the average speed was at or below the posted limit, so sorry we can't help.
I'm on your side, so good luck.
Our local paper, wthout exception, prints every week a story of some road, school, residential home etc for a reduction in speed past their patch.
The LA always respond with the same answer. No accidents, no incidents, no fatalities on that or this particular stretch of road, and during a monitoring period the average speed was at or below the posted limit, so sorry we can't help.
I'm on your side, so good luck.
We had a bad crash here a little while back, on a rural NSL stretch. Somebody who knows the road well exited a LH corner far too fast, and fell off the RH of the road - and a wooden fence rail came through the windscreen and Gordon Kaye'd him. "Life changing injuries".
A parish councillor of my acquaintance got volunteered to go and meet with the relevant county people. Everybody was in agreement that there was only one cause - "author of his own misfortune". Nothing to be done to prevent it. Not enough entrances to justify introducing a limit. Not enough budget for any traffic-calming, unless somebody wanted to volunteer to sponsor it. We got some black-and-white plastic poles round the outside, and basically told we were lucky.
A parish councillor of my acquaintance got volunteered to go and meet with the relevant county people. Everybody was in agreement that there was only one cause - "author of his own misfortune". Nothing to be done to prevent it. Not enough entrances to justify introducing a limit. Not enough budget for any traffic-calming, unless somebody wanted to volunteer to sponsor it. We got some black-and-white plastic poles round the outside, and basically told we were lucky.
nonsequitur said:
There are so many serial speeders around these days who totally disregard any legal speed limits, and other speed limiting measures, it is practically futile to persue any officially sanctioned reductions, however these manifest themselves.
Our local paper, wthout exception, prints every week a story of some road, school, residential home etc for a reduction in speed past their patch.
The LA always respond with the same answer. No accidents, no incidents, no fatalities on that or this particular stretch of road, and during a monitoring period the average speed was at or below the posted limit, so sorry we can't help.
I'm on your side, so good luck.
Is that not a GOOD thing? Anti-car nimby's have whinged that people are speeding. Police and LA have investigated and found this not to be the case, anti-car nimby's then denied the right to inflict there will on folk just trying to go about their business unimpeded? Our local paper, wthout exception, prints every week a story of some road, school, residential home etc for a reduction in speed past their patch.
The LA always respond with the same answer. No accidents, no incidents, no fatalities on that or this particular stretch of road, and during a monitoring period the average speed was at or below the posted limit, so sorry we can't help.
I'm on your side, so good luck.
Have you stopped to consider that the reason there are so many serial speeders around is because of the amount of LAs who don't go through the same procedure of due process and lower limits to unreasonably low speed, breeding disregard for speed limits overall.
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