Partner gets speeding ticket, am I allowed to.......

[The Selfish Gene]

so I know it's PCOJ to not be honest about who was driving the car.

Is it legal for someone else to pay the fine (yes yes, I know nobody will know if you hand the cash over)

that's not the point - is it legal to pay the fine if you weren't driving the car.

Say if your GF was poor that montht? If it IS legal..........how can this be so.......?

thanks

TSG

[TooMany2cvs]

Whose money it actually is is irrelevant - whether it's paying somebody else's speeding ticket or any other court fine. You want to gift somebody that amount of money? Feel free.

It's diverting the points which is the naughty.

[Graveworm]

The Selfish Gene said:

so I know it's PCOJ to not be honest about who was driving the car.

Is it legal for someone else to pay the fine (yes yes, I know nobody will know if you hand the cash over)

that's not the point - is it legal to pay the fine if you weren't driving the car.

Say if your GF was poor that montht? If it IS legal..........how can this be so.......?

thanks

TSG

In 99.99% of cases you can give people your money without any ramifications and they can do whatever they want with it.

[Pica-Pica]

So if you get the shopping, or a rail ticket, or make a hotel booking and somebody pays you later, how is that different?
I think if the accused pays, and someone gives them an equivalent amount after, there can be no issue (assuming it all falls within the HMRC limits for tax-free gifts), AFAIK.

[The Selfish Gene]

yeah I understand how easy it is.

Surely though, the fine, is, well a fine. Due to breaking a law.

So come the powers that be don't care if the person is actually penalised by the fine part..............? They'll just be happy as long as they get the money?

Thus the fine, isn't a fine...........it's payment.

Non?

[Pica-Pica]

The Selfish Gene said:

yeah I understand how easy it is.

Surely though, the fine, is, well a fine. Due to breaking a law.

So come the powers that be don't care if the person is actually penalised by the fine part..............? They'll just be happy as long as they get the money?

Thus the fine, isn't a fine...........it's payment.

Non?

Oui! Bien sûr.
But paying for someone else creates perhaps an obligation to the payer, perhaps higher than the value of the fine, n’est-ce pas?
But if said culprit pays, and then wins the lottery, is that no longer a punishment? If a criminal commits a crime, and gets sent to prison for say 5 years, and has no money anyway. The taxpayer pays for his bed and board.

The thing about taxes and fines is, they do not necessarily ultimately fall upon the nominee.

[paintman]

If you wish to pay the fine for her then that's your choice.

As this is PH we do of course need to see a photo of said GF - with the obligatory custard - to ascertain whether she's worth it & some idea from you as to what 'extras' you are hoping for in return for your generosity which I suppose could raise questions of a morality nature....

Edited by paintman on Tuesday 2nd October 20:05

[davek_964]

Is this hypothetical, or are you paying your ex's speeding fines as well as paying for her holiday?

[Second Best]

Money doesn't make the man/woman. Everybody has a duty of self-responsibility, even if they can't afford to pay whatever fines they incur. Hence why children can go to juvenile detention but it's their parents that pay court costs. Similarly, if in a couple one of them is the breadwinner and the other manages the house, should the latter incur a hefty financial penalty and the former pay the cost, I don't believe it's taxable or otherwise frowned upon.

The grey area would be along the lines of a self-employed sibling paying the speeding fine of another sibling they have hired.

[SAS Tom]

davek_964 said:

Is this hypothetical, or are you paying your ex's speeding fines as well as paying for her holiday?

No this must be a different person as the holiday was with an ex who was definitely an despite him paying for her holiday.

Now he’s talking about paying his (imaginary) partners speeding fine. The other one was definitely not his partner.

[Drumroll]

Look at it another way, our current account is both our names, so how would they be able to sort that out, even if they wanted too.

Or my daughter gets a fine and I transfer her the money to her account, she then pays the fine.

[The Selfish Gene]

I was curious of the legalities - as someone I know is paying the fine for their GF - my wording in the OP was hypothetical

It just doesn't seem right - that the payment part can be done by someone else............feels like they're just in interested in the dollar!

[TooMany2cvs]

The Selfish Gene said:

It just doesn't seem right - that the payment part can be done by someone else...

S'pose the driver is a housewife, who doesn't work and earn any money of her own - husband is the "breadwinner"... Or a student whose total income comes from parents...

[The Selfish Gene]

TooMany2cvs said:

The Selfish Gene said:

It just doesn't seem right - that the payment part can be done by someone else...

S'pose the driver is a housewife, who doesn't work and earn any money of her own - husband is the "breadwinner"... Or a student whose total income comes from parents...

yeah - understand that - but...........if we are told constantly it's not about the money, and yet they don't care where the money comes from as long as they get it.........doesn't sit well with me the motivations for the fine.

I don't give a fk who pays it morally speaking - i'm more against the fine in the first place and the reasons for it - etc

[chopper602]

The Selfish Gene said:

:............feels like they're just in interested in the dollar!

Because that is all they are interested in ! It's for your safety . . .

[98elise]

The Selfish Gene said:

TooMany2cvs said:

The Selfish Gene said:

It just doesn't seem right - that the payment part can be done by someone else...

S'pose the driver is a housewife, who doesn't work and earn any money of her own - husband is the "breadwinner"... Or a student whose total income comes from parents...

yeah - understand that - but...........if we are told constantly it's not about the money, and yet they don't care where the money comes from as long as they get it.........doesn't sit well with me the motivations for the fine.

I don't give a fk who pays it morally speaking - i'm more against the fine in the first place and the reasons for it - etc

Someone has paid out, and is out of pocket. Either way the person being fined has been inconvenienced either having to pay, or ask someone else to pay. It's not free money wherever it comes from.

Edited by 98elise on Wednesday 3rd October 19:57

[Exige77]

It’s a bit like Barclaycard paying your fine and you paying them back at the end if the month ?

[Shuvi McTupya]

Of course it's ok to pay someone elses fine.

if i have to pay a fine does the council care if i am broke and have to turn to legbreakers and co pay day loan company?

No. where the money comes from is not important, so so long as they get 'theirs'.

[CAPP0]

Years ago, I used to run a small electrical contracting business. This would have been in the mid-80s. One job, I needed help with so I asked a mate to come along and agreed a sum to pay him.

We arrived and left in two cars although heading the same way. On the way home, we were exceeding the speed limit on a 50mph 3 lane dual carriageway, and got pulled over, both of us.

One copper walked over to me, the other to my mate. We were travelling at exactly the same speed. However, I got a fixed penalty and 3 points, he got summoned to court.

I went with him to court, and after he'd been fined, we walked straight round to the clerk's office and I paid his fine with my company cheque book. Nobody raised the slightest eyebrow.

[The Selfish Gene]

seems weird doesn't it - if it isn't all about the money