Why does everyone get PTSD these days

[anonymous-user]

I get it when a soldier comes back from a war zone they are likely to have seen some nasty st and feared for their lives on an almost constant basis.
I get it when someone has been involved in a terrorist attack or witnesses one.
i get if you are victim of some kind of natural disaster, road traffic accident or violent relationship.

But come on - PTSD because you got strip search after being a pain in the ass an obstructing officers in their duty (i agree the strip search was probably unjustified, but the PTSD thing is bks)
BBC 1

You dont get it from becoming famous
BBC 2

And not to mention Arianna Grande, who i believe probably is suffering PTSD to some extent, but my god her publicists are milking it for all its worth to keep her face in the papers - not a week goes by without it appearing in the 'news'

Am i missing something, can you get PTSD from almost anything mildly uncomfortable now? Or are some of these charlatans simply jumping on the PTSD bandwagon?

(Edit - ive now got PTSD from making the mistake of posting this in the wrong forum Mods please move to NP&E)

[TTmonkey]

Its about time they quantified PTSD into easy to understand levels - lets say from 1 to 10. Someone that goes to war and has either been injured, seen someone close die, or been under sustained real threat gets graded as a 10.

Someone watching something uncomfortable that they cant resolve through some specialist help - a 1

That way we can dismiss people stating they are 'suffering' PTSD with a low score without tarnishing everyone else that really suffers.

I know someone that was contemplating registering as PTSD suffering from the first gulf war. I pointed out that staying in a five star hotel 500 miles from the action and leaving the area a week before bombs started being chucked around would likely cause me to never speak to him again and to out him publically as a compo chaser. He thought about it and agreed.

The subject of Arianne Grande - she isn't courting publicity any more than any other major star., She is a massive star to some age groups - and much bigger abroad than here, I think its the only thing I'd say isn't worth complaining about in the OPs post. I'm surprised the events didn't drive her crazy or even to suicide.

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Benefits.

[sgtBerbatov]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

I get it when a soldier comes back from a war zone they are likely to have seen some nasty st and feared for their lives on an almost constant basis.
I get it when someone has been involved in a terrorist attack or witnesses one.
i get if you are victim of some kind of natural disaster, road traffic accident or violent relationship.

But come on - PTSD because you got strip search after being a pain in the ass an obstructing officers in their duty (i agree the strip search was probably unjustified, but the PTSD thing is bks)
BBC 1

You dont get it from becoming famous
BBC 2

And not to mention Arianna Grande, who i believe probably is suffering PTSD to some extent, but my god her publicists are milking it for all its worth to keep her face in the papers - not a week goes by without it appearing in the 'news'

Am i missing something, can you get PTSD from almost anything mildly uncomfortable now? Or are some of these charlatans simply jumping on the PTSD bandwagon?

(Edit - ive now got PTSD from making the mistake of posting this in the wrong forum Mods please move to NP&E)

So being in an arena where children lost their lives by some prick with a bomb is "mildly uncomfortable"?

Can I have the name whatever it is your taking? I want to separate my mind from reality like you've successfully done.

[anonymous-user]

sgtBerbatov said:

So being in an arena where children lost their lives by some prick with a bomb is "mildly uncomfortable"?

Can I have the name whatever it is your taking? I want to separate my mind from reality like you've successfully done.

Maybe you need something different, something that actually helps you read my post. Go back and try again.

[anonymous-user]

TTmonkey said:

The subject of Arianne Grande - she isn't courting publicity any more than any other major star., She is a massive star to some age groups - and much bigger abroad than here, I think its the only thing I'd say isn't worth complaining about in the OPs post. I'm surprised the events didn't drive her crazy or even to suicide.

Totally agree, but to me she does appear to be using the PTSD angle to generate media coverage - maybe thats just my dislike of her generally coming out.

[Christmassss]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

I get it when someone has been involved in a terrorist attack or witnesses one.

And not to mention Arianna Grande, who i believe probably is suffering PTSD to some extent, but my god her publicists are milking it for all its worth to keep her face in the papers - not a week goes by without it appearing in the 'news'

You mean like the Manchester Arena attack?

Mental health issues following traumatic events should be more widely talked about, having peers (celebrities and the like) talk about their issues enables others to feel comfortable talking about their own issues.

[Chalkius]

Regarding the police search one, it was justified.

When someone is arrested and taken to custody, while there their welfare is cared for by the Sgt. He/She has to make sure they don't harm themselves or do anything to risk their health. So they risk assess them. Normally this is straightforward, as regular clientele will be well known on police systems so we'll know if they're a risk. We'll also ask them about their mental state and suchlike to aid in this. This will let the Sgt decide if they can just go in a regular cell, if they need to be watched constantly, or if they need to be given anti-ligature clothing, or even if we think they're likely to be concealing things on their person, such as where the sun doesn't shine.

If someone won't give their name police cannot look them up on PNC/local recording systems. So we rely on what they tell us. If they won't ID themselves and we can't get an ID, and they won't answer any questions, they go to high risk right away, as we don't know anything about their level of risk so have to assume the worst. That means a strip search will be done as standard. Normally this is done by two cops of the same gender, they'll ask you to take your top off first in a cell, show you're not hiding anything, then put it back on, then take your bottoms off and they'll look to see anything concealed. Once that's done, you're sorted. If you refuse to comply, you will simply get your clothes cut off you. If you attempt to stop this happening, you will be held down by force to enable this. If you resist against the people holding you down, you're likely to get bruises and marks where they are holding you.

Essentially, she made a rod for her own back. If she'd listened to the cop in the first place she wouldn't have been arrested. If she'd answered the risk assessment questions, she probably wouldn't have been strip searched.

[anonymous-user]

Thanks for the explanation Chalkius - if true i`m inclined to agree the search was legit. Based on the news article failing to identify herself sounds very likely

[MB140]

sgtBerbatov said:

Who_Goes_Blue said:

I get it when a soldier comes back from a war zone they are likely to have seen some nasty st and feared for their lives on an almost constant basis.
I get it when someone has been involved in a terrorist attack or witnesses one.
i get if you are victim of some kind of natural disaster, road traffic accident or violent relationship.

But come on - PTSD because you got strip search after being a pain in the ass an obstructing officers in their duty (i agree the strip search was probably unjustified, but the PTSD thing is bks)
BBC 1

You dont get it from becoming famous
BBC 2

And not to mention Arianna Grande, who i believe probably is suffering PTSD to some extent, but my god her publicists are milking it for all its worth to keep her face in the papers - not a week goes by without it appearing in the 'news'

Am i missing something, can you get PTSD from almost anything mildly uncomfortable now? Or are some of these charlatans simply jumping on the PTSD bandwagon?

(Edit - ive now got PTSD from making the mistake of posting this in the wrong forum Mods please move to NP&E)

So being in an arena where children lost their lives by some prick with a bomb is "mildly uncomfortable"?

Can I have the name whatever it is your taking? I want to separate my mind from reality like you've successfully done.

So your saying someone at the Manchester arena who was actually in the blast radius, saw people killed suffered the same as someone on the other side of the arena who heard a bang and might have been a bit scared have the same level of ptsd.

Sorry but no. I agree with the OP on this. There are many levels of PTSD and really should be treated vastly different.

[anonymous-user]

MB140 said:

So your saying someone at the Manchester arena who was actually in the blast radius, saw people killed suffered the same as someone on the other side of the arena who heard a bang and might have been a bit scared have the same level of ptsd.

Sorry but no. I agree with the OP on this. There are many levels of PTSD and really should be treated vastly different.

just to clarify I'm saying I believe she has PTSD - plus the fact her 'job' requires her continued attendance at similar places - she probably has quite a high dose of it. My criticism is the constant press coverage of her PTSD which I`m of the opinion is being used to keep her face out there to sell albums/gigs rather than for the benefit of talking about it.

[Drumroll]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

MB140 said:

So your saying someone at the Manchester arena who was actually in the blast radius, saw people killed suffered the same as someone on the other side of the arena who heard a bang and might have been a bit scared have the same level of ptsd.

Sorry but no. I agree with the OP on this. There are many levels of PTSD and really should be treated vastly different.

just to clarify I'm saying I believe she has PTSD - plus the fact her 'job' requires her continued attendance at similar places - she probably has quite a high dose of it. My criticism is the constant press coverage of her PTSD which I`m of the opinion is being used to keep her face out there to sell albums/gigs rather than for the benefit of talking about it.

I perhaps look at this one differently, her audience is teenagers, maybe with her relating to it she helps them. Don't forget she is relatively young herself.

[TTmonkey]

She may also suffer from a high level of misplaced self blame for the incident. They were there to see her. They paid to see her. They should have been safe at her event.

She should carry zero blame. But I wonder if she suffers nightmares and self blame. Almost like survivor guilt.

[Zigster]

MB140 said:

So your saying someone at the Manchester arena who was actually in the blast radius, saw people killed suffered the same as someone on the other side of the arena who heard a bang and might have been a bit scared have the same level of ptsd.

Sorry but no. I agree with the OP on this. There are many levels of PTSD and really should be treated vastly different.

The OP didn't say there are many levels of PTSD, he simply said that the woman in the article to which he linked wasn't suffering from PTSD.

I think it is reasonable to suggest that there are varying degrees of severity of PTSD, although I have no psychiatry or psychology experience or qualifications to support that statement. I also think I would find it pretty traumatic to be forcibly stripped then sexually and physically assaulted by three other people, with other people watching. Probably not as traumatic as being in a terrorist incident (I hope I never have to find out) but not a trivial incident.

[Stuzza]

TTmonkey said:

She may also suffer from a high level of misplaced self blame for the incident. They were there to see her. They paid to see her. They should have been safe at her event.

She should carry zero blame. But I wonder if she suffers nightmares and self blame. Almost like survivor guilt.

Exactly my feelings. I suspect the feeling of responsibility (the audience were there to see her after all [1]) combined with repeated exposure would cause stress in anyone.

[1] Of which my daughter and her friend were two. She's fine and has coped admirably with the aftermath and this has been aided by the NHS response has been excellent. There's been frequent contact from the Response Centre setup after the Manchester attack with offers of assistance / guidance and group activities to enable those present to come to terms with the post-event stress. My daughter has not needed to take them up on the offers (other than some phone discussions) but the availability of the support was, and is, appreciated.

[Shaw Tarse]

Katie Price claimed to suffer from it https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/7323215/kati...

[MB140]

Who_Goes_Blue said:

MB140 said:

So your saying someone at the Manchester arena who was actually in the blast radius, saw people killed suffered the same as someone on the other side of the arena who heard a bang and might have been a bit scared have the same level of ptsd.

Sorry but no. I agree with the OP on this. There are many levels of PTSD and really should be treated vastly different.

just to clarify I'm saying I believe she has PTSD - plus the fact her 'job' requires her continued attendance at similar places - she probably has quite a high dose of it. My criticism is the constant press coverage of her PTSD which I`m of the opinion is being used to keep her face out there to sell albums/gigs rather than for the benefit of talking about it.

Sorry who goes blue that was more to sgtberbatove not what you were saying. And TTmonkey reference levelling of ptsd. Sorry made a hash of that post and what I was trying to say. Doh.

Edited by MB140 on Tuesday 23 October 10:58

Edited by MB140 on Tuesday 23 October 10:59

[singlecoil]

Zigster said:

...I also think I would find it pretty traumatic to be forcibly stripped then sexually and physically assaulted by three other people, with other people watching...

Well, that's one interpretation of that incident. I expect there are others.

[chunder27]

Surely there must varying degrees of this, as there are with a lot of mental illnesses

it seems to be a type of shock, that never goes away, or can with treatment.

I think there should clearly be more done in forces training to explain it, there should be stuff done in theatre too to recognise it and break through the bloke, hard stuff.

But for one off events like bombings, etc, I feel slightly less sympathy, OK these are people untrained, but this is one event, not several as you would get in a theatre scenario where you are also expecting so mentally it is tougher. I always feel the military stuff is a reaction to training, preparation and then experience. A bombing is a different reaction, it is more instant shock and then fear afterwards. These are subtly different things to me.

I understand a bombing is going to be tough to deal with, but calling PTSD on that for me is perhaps less of a deal, sorry, but that's just how I feel about it. I think it is similar but a different reaction.

[Echo66]

See where the OP is coming from but things don’t work like that & you can’t measure or quantity something like PTSD.

I was diagnosed a while back 20 years after several incidents I was witness to or part of while I was serving.
I was conditioned & trained to deal with trauma & still operate at the highest level of capability & professionalism throughout. But it still takes its toll. I wasn’t affected by enemy dead or injured – I didn’t give a monkeys tbh, it was my blokes & my oppos that did for me.
A civvy who is neither trained nor conditioned through background, upbringing etc can react in an infinitesimal number of ways that will require some form of intervention.
Some, who may be more familiar with death & injury, say from being brought up on a farm, may be able to handle trauma somewhat better than others. They may not.
I’ve known lasses who saw some serious stuff as medics on various Herrick & Telic tours who are fine & dandy. Likewise there are many many emergency service bods who see all sorts day in & day out & it doesn’t affect. I have an uncle, retired paramedic, he doesn’t lose a minutes sleep about things. He has ex-colleagues who suffer. Its swings & roundabouts.

There was a case a few years ago with USAF or RAF drone pilots who were suffering effects of seeing video imagery of their weapon strikes on targets. Some people were decrying their claims of PTSD, however, who are they to decide how someone reacts or feels about a particular event. It all depends on the individual.

Edited by Echo66 on Tuesday 23 October 11:25