London councils trying to take over speeding fines
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
Article says the London Councils' transport group is looking to get the law changed to allow them to issue speeding tickets, because the Met is too busy fighting actual crime to issue '21 in a 20' PCNs.
Which council is going to be the first to install a speed camera in every street light ? Oh, Islington, obviously.
matjk said:
London councils wont be worried about points, or reducing speeding , just earning revenue so they can redistribute it. Without the many fines they dish out most would go bust
Let's see how keen they are when they find out the proportion of registered keepers who don't reply, do not nominate a driver or nominate the wrong or a fictional driver. Newc said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
Article says the London Councils' transport group is looking to get the law changed to allow them to issue speeding tickets, because the Met is too busy fighting actual crime to issue '21 in a 20' PCNs.
Which council is going to be the first to install a speed camera in every street light ? Oh, Islington, obviously.
Why don't they just ban cars? Seriously that is what they want so just do it!Article says the London Councils' transport group is looking to get the law changed to allow them to issue speeding tickets, because the Met is too busy fighting actual crime to issue '21 in a 20' PCNs.
Which council is going to be the first to install a speed camera in every street light ? Oh, Islington, obviously.
eybic said:
Repel_Max said:
Let's see how keen they are when they find out the proportion of registered keepers who don't reply, do not nominate a driver or nominate the wrong or a fictional driver.
They won't give a s
t, they'll just send in bailiffs and hide behind some sort of regulation.Seems this idea hasn't been thought-through.
Maybe the police will simply say "do it" then sit back and laugh when the council make an arse of it.
C70R said:
cb1965 said:
Why don't they just ban cars? Seriously that is what they want so just do it!
I feel sad for how miserable you are.Wasn't it you who tried to tell me they aren't blanketing London with 20mph speed limits... a few days before a raft more were announced
Repel_Max said:
eybic said:
Repel_Max said:
Let's see how keen they are when they find out the proportion of registered keepers who don't reply, do not nominate a driver or nominate the wrong or a fictional driver.
They won't give a st, they'll just send in bailiffs and hide behind some sort of regulation.Seems this idea hasn't been thought-through.
Maybe the police will simply say "do it" then sit back and laugh when the council make an arse of it.
cb1965 said:
C70R said:
cb1965 said:
Why don't they just ban cars? Seriously that is what they want so just do it!
I feel sad for how miserable you are.Wasn't it you who tried to tell me they aren't blanketing London with 20mph speed limits... a few days before a raft more were announced
You made a typically Eeyore-style outlandish claim that most of London was already 20mph. I pointed out that it wasn't, and you got quite upset.
Honestly, I can't imagine what goes on in the heads of people who say that 20mph is too slow for London. Have you ever driven here recently? I live and work in the middle, and I seldom get over 20mph - and when I do, I'm soon slowing down to stop in traffic or at lights.
It's like a Daily Mail comments section here at times...
C70R said:
Ah, you're one of those with 'selective memory'.
You made a typically Eeyore-style outlandish claim that most of London was already 20mph. I pointed out that it wasn't, and you got quite upset.
Honestly, I can't imagine what goes on in the heads of people who say that 20mph is too slow for London. Have you ever driven here recently? I live and work in the middle, and I seldom get over 20mph - and when I do, I'm soon slowing down to stop in traffic or at lights.
It's like a Daily Mail comments section here at times...
Is this one of those posts where a self appointed expert tells everyone who doesn’t agree with them that they are a dumbfYou made a typically Eeyore-style outlandish claim that most of London was already 20mph. I pointed out that it wasn't, and you got quite upset.
Honestly, I can't imagine what goes on in the heads of people who say that 20mph is too slow for London. Have you ever driven here recently? I live and work in the middle, and I seldom get over 20mph - and when I do, I'm soon slowing down to stop in traffic or at lights.
It's like a Daily Mail comments section here at times...
k redneck Daily Mail reader who needs to bow down in the face of your obvious intellectual and moral superiority? It seems so. - All of the City of London is now 20mph.
- There has been a substantial increase in the use of 20mph zones within the M25, including away from local residential streets
- The mayor and TfL this year published their Vision Zero plan, which includes a default 20mph limit
- I live in London. I don’t experience the problem with getting over 20mph that you do. The last time I exceeded 20mph, was the last time I operated a motor car, which was yesterday.
- The requirement to stop at traffic lights is unrelated to the speed you travel when not stopped at traffic lights.
Edited by creampuff on Friday 7th December 12:03
creampuff said:
C70R said:
Ah, you're one of those with 'selective memory'.
You made a typically Eeyore-style outlandish claim that most of London was already 20mph. I pointed out that it wasn't, and you got quite upset.
Honestly, I can't imagine what goes on in the heads of people who say that 20mph is too slow for London. Have you ever driven here recently? I live and work in the middle, and I seldom get over 20mph - and when I do, I'm soon slowing down to stop in traffic or at lights.
It's like a Daily Mail comments section here at times...
Is this one of those posts where a self appointed expert tells everyone who doesn’t agree with them that they are a dumbfYou made a typically Eeyore-style outlandish claim that most of London was already 20mph. I pointed out that it wasn't, and you got quite upset.
Honestly, I can't imagine what goes on in the heads of people who say that 20mph is too slow for London. Have you ever driven here recently? I live and work in the middle, and I seldom get over 20mph - and when I do, I'm soon slowing down to stop in traffic or at lights.
It's like a Daily Mail comments section here at times...
k redneck Daily Mail reader who needs to bow down in the face of your obvious intellectual and moral superiority? It seems so. - All of the City of London is now 20mph.
- There has been a substantial increase in the use of 20mph zones within the M25, including away from local residential streets
- The mayor and TfL this year published their Vision Zero plan, which includes a default 20mph limit
- I live in London. I don’t experience the problem with getting over 20mph that you do. The last time I exceeded 20mph, was the last time I operated a motor car, which was yesterday.
- The requirement to stop at traffic lights is unrelated to the speed you travel when not stopped at traffic lights.
Edited by creampuff on Friday 7th December 12:03
To be fair, if councils took over speeding and issued fines I reckon people would be more than happy to pay the fines, especially if there was no chance of points on a license.
Even better for all the people racing supercars round town. No consequences, just pay the fine which is nothing to them anyway.
I'm pretty sure most of us on here would happily pay to speed above the speed limit. I would.
Even better for all the people racing supercars round town. No consequences, just pay the fine which is nothing to them anyway.
I'm pretty sure most of us on here would happily pay to speed above the speed limit. I would.
Newc said:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-coun...
Article says the London Councils' transport group is looking to get the law changed to allow them to issue speeding tickets, because the Met is too busy fighting actual crime to issue '21 in a 20' PCNs.
Which council is going to be the first to install a speed camera in every street light ? Oh, Islington, obviously.
You can imagine it now can't you, average speed camera's everywhere you look and tickets issued like confetti. Almost impossible to fight against speeding tickets now let alone if this happens!Article says the London Councils' transport group is looking to get the law changed to allow them to issue speeding tickets, because the Met is too busy fighting actual crime to issue '21 in a 20' PCNs.
Which council is going to be the first to install a speed camera in every street light ? Oh, Islington, obviously.
TX.
Edit - London obviously hates car drivers, we should all just stay clear and see how they like that. I don't drive in now unless I really have no other choice and without fail it is a hateful journey spent watching for traffic, bus lanes, cycle lanes, hatched junctions, speed camera's, CCTV camera's ...
Edited by Terminator X on Friday 7th December 12:53
London is horrendous in a car.
It is getting so bad on the motorbike now too.
The cycle lanes have reduced the width of the road so it's really hard to filter.
Everyone seems really angry and aggressive.
I'd guess 2 in 5 are using a mobile (based on riding daily, 24 miles return)
Speeding is very definitely not the problem in London - it really isn't.
The one chance you get to open up and make some progress the lights are clearly phased to stop you as often as humanly.
I'm certain they are stepping it up to make it zero personal transport.
They'll just allow lorries, and charge them huge numbers to drive here.
Oh and hugely over priced, over populated and ste service loser cruisers and peasant wagons.
I've said it before, my bike is 1/5th the cost of the train daily, and door to door takes a 1/3 of the time, even in rush hour traffic.
Taking into account the cost of buying it, insuring it it's still 1/2 the price of the train on a monthly basis.
That's buying it over 3 years - assuming it lasts 10 - it becomes a real 1/5th the price of the train.
I also get to use it the rest of the time too, and apart from one flat tyre it is 100% more reliable the than trains.
It is getting so bad on the motorbike now too.
The cycle lanes have reduced the width of the road so it's really hard to filter.
Everyone seems really angry and aggressive.
I'd guess 2 in 5 are using a mobile (based on riding daily, 24 miles return)
Speeding is very definitely not the problem in London - it really isn't.
The one chance you get to open up and make some progress the lights are clearly phased to stop you as often as humanly.
I'm certain they are stepping it up to make it zero personal transport.
They'll just allow lorries, and charge them huge numbers to drive here.
Oh and hugely over priced, over populated and s
te service loser cruisers and peasant wagons.I've said it before, my bike is 1/5th the cost of the train daily, and door to door takes a 1/3 of the time, even in rush hour traffic.
Taking into account the cost of buying it, insuring it it's still 1/2 the price of the train on a monthly basis.
That's buying it over 3 years - assuming it lasts 10 - it becomes a real 1/5th the price of the train.
I also get to use it the rest of the time too, and apart from one flat tyre it is 100% more reliable the than trains.
Edited by The Selfish Gene on Friday 7th December 13:40
Edited by The Selfish Gene on Friday 7th December 13:42
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