Gross negligence manslaughter after rough sex
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This case has attracted much debate (not on PH*). The sentencing remarks explain why a murder charge would probably not have succeeded (insufficient intent). The Defendant committed involuntary manslaughter by gross negligence after a booze and coke fuelled BDSM session. The sentence is being criticised as on the low side.
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-john-broadh...
* The victim was a woman. The Defendant was white.
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-john-broadh...
* The victim was a woman. The Defendant was white.
This is local to me so have read a bit about it via the local online rag.
It does not state what she died from?
From skim reading that PDF she was in comatose state by drink and cocaine, they had rough sex and he went to bed and left her in a bad way, but did she die from the injuries or the dink and drugs?
Either way he sounds like a right POS to be honest.
On a side note there was a young man locally who by just being a member of a banned extremist group landed him with more prison time then this POS
It does not state what she died from?
From skim reading that PDF she was in comatose state by drink and cocaine, they had rough sex and he went to bed and left her in a bad way, but did she die from the injuries or the dink and drugs?
Either way he sounds like a right POS to be honest.
On a side note there was a young man locally who by just being a member of a banned extremist group landed him with more prison time then this POS
Edited by chippy348 on Wednesday 19th December 20:13
BV in tiresome "PH'ers are racist and misogynist" slander shocker. Again.
chippy348 said:
This is local to me so have read a bit about it via the local online rag.
It does not state what she died from?
From skim reading that PDF she was in comatose state by drink and cocaine, they had rough sex and he went to bed and left her in a bad way, but did she die from the injuries or the dink and drugs?
Either way he sounds like a right POS to be honest.
On a side note there was a young man locally who by just being a member of a band extremist group landed him with more prison time then this POS
Smashing somebody numerous times around the head and inserting a bleach bottle in their vagina sounds like a bit more than rough sex.It does not state what she died from?
From skim reading that PDF she was in comatose state by drink and cocaine, they had rough sex and he went to bed and left her in a bad way, but did she die from the injuries or the dink and drugs?
Either way he sounds like a right POS to be honest.
On a side note there was a young man locally who by just being a member of a band extremist group landed him with more prison time then this POS
chippy348 said:
On a side note there was a young man locally who by just being a member of a band extremist group landed him with more prison time then this POS
Not making light of anything and definitely not being a pedant, as I know full well what you meant, but this particular use of the wrong band did, at first, make me think that you suggested they were locked up for being some kind of extreme musician. Graveworm said:
Not making light of anything and definitely not being a pedant, as I know full well what you meant, but this particular use of the wrong band did, at first, make me think that you suggested they were locked up for being some kind of extreme musician.
Hey not a problem, I am full on Dyslectic and it took me 10+ minutes to do that reply, so not bad to have a few mistakes. I am sure that part of the reason this has had little discussion on PH is that it is hard to understand.
I assume that to most of us what appears to have been normal sexual activity for this couple seems like a form of assault.
Given that there was consent, drawing the line as to what is acceptable is hard, and the judge's remarks seem to confirm that.
Whatever though, leaving her in that state seems unforgivable. Apart from the internal injuries, that drunk, she could have vomited and choked to death. I reckon sentence is reasonable.
Whether the pseudo Nazi got a fair sentence in comparison is an entirely different question - depends how dangerous he really was.
I assume that to most of us what appears to have been normal sexual activity for this couple seems like a form of assault.
Given that there was consent, drawing the line as to what is acceptable is hard, and the judge's remarks seem to confirm that.
Whatever though, leaving her in that state seems unforgivable. Apart from the internal injuries, that drunk, she could have vomited and choked to death. I reckon sentence is reasonable.
Whether the pseudo Nazi got a fair sentence in comparison is an entirely different question - depends how dangerous he really was.
The carpet cleaner thing seems a bit odd...I know people who engage in BDSM and it’s all talked about in advance, staying in control, safe words, etc etc and they trust that each other can push their boundaries but keep things consensual.
2 drunk and coked up people sticking carpet cleaner bottles inside one of them sounds different...
Breadvan72 said:
This case has attracted much debate (not on PH*). The sentencing remarks explain why a murder charge would probably not have succeeded (insufficient intent). The Defendant committed involuntary manslaughter by gross negligence after a booze and coke fuelled BDSM session. The sentence is being criticised as on the low side.
https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-john-broadh...
* The victim was a woman. The Defendant was white.
'Your plea is an admission that you left that badly injured young woman to die in the saddest and most avoidable of circumstances.' https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/r-v-john-broadh...
* The victim was a woman. The Defendant was white.
The injuries inflicted were caused by him at her request, however the aggravating factors were that she was five times over the drink drive limit, and impaired to the point where he, instead of complying with her requests, should have been caring for her and stopping the activities altogether.
I don't feel it necessary to go into detail about what they did, he was considerably less drunk than she was and should have called for help/an ambulance after the seriousness of her injuries became clear.
Instead he heads to bed and leaves her at the bottom of the stairs where she died.
From a sentencing perspective I believe he should have been given a longer tariff. The hard thing to determine was his intent. He didn't intent for her to die, but his taking part in the injuries inflicted and subsequent inaction let it happen.
Just awful.
grumbledoak said:
Boosted LS1 said:
^ Because he makes some interesting posts perhaps? I don't read them all but he's worth a read :-)
Does he? All I ever see him do is insult everyone who doesn't share his views. He's not even imaginative with it. Hardly "worth a read".And aren't you effectively doing exactly that which you're complaining about? You're insulting BV as he doesn't share your views. Double standards much?
I read the judgment PDF. It seems to counter some of the stuff in the press. It seems Harriet Harman is going to appeal for a longer sentence.
What are the judgments in cases where relatives and friends have been around, helped drug users source and administer the drugs and then left them to die? It would seem comparable to those cases too.
What are the judgments in cases where relatives and friends have been around, helped drug users source and administer the drugs and then left them to die? It would seem comparable to those cases too.
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