Roadworks ended, signage left
Discussion
On the A30 West-East Stour, there were some roadworks. As a result, the speed limit was dropped from 40 to 30. The 40 signs were taped over and 30 signs taped on. The roadworks have now finished, there are no current TROs, but the 40 signs remain taped over. From one direction, all the 30 reminders have fallen to the ground, leaving no indication of the speed limit at all (the initial 40 is obscured by a hedge). The other direction is marked as a 30. So, what is the enforceable speed limit in each direction? 30, 40, or NSL?
Solocle said:
On the A30 West-East Stour, there were some roadworks. As a result, the speed limit was dropped from 40 to 30. The 40 signs were taped over and 30 signs taped on. The roadworks have now finished, there are no current TROs, but the 40 signs remain taped over. From one direction, all the 30 reminders have fallen to the ground, leaving no indication of the speed limit at all (the initial 40 is obscured by a hedge). The other direction is marked as a 30. So, what is the enforceable speed limit in each direction? 30, 40, or NSL?
Never mind asking here, have you reported it?
Gafferjim said:
The majority of temp road signs have the name of the company that own them painted on the back, if you had chance to stop, find out, then google their name, you could complain directly to them.
Best to complain to whichever organisation is the Highways Authority for that road. The sign-owners might be several sub-contractors removed from whoever can do something about it, and may well have no clue where their signs are or who is using them.
There is case law about speeding in a length of road subject to a temporary restriction due to roadworks.
As with most case law, it is probably very specific. The circumstances surrounded a speed camera that had been left operational on the removal of road works. The anticipated period was, let us say, 20 weeks but was completed a week early. The road went back to normal, with no restriction on width, nor workers there nor any reason to return.
Despite the signs remaining, the reason for the speed restriction was no longer extant. The judges found no case to answer.
As with most case law, it is probably very specific. The circumstances surrounded a speed camera that had been left operational on the removal of road works. The anticipated period was, let us say, 20 weeks but was completed a week early. The road went back to normal, with no restriction on width, nor workers there nor any reason to return.
Despite the signs remaining, the reason for the speed restriction was no longer extant. The judges found no case to answer.
vikingaero said:
Fold them over. End of. You haven't damaged them and you haven't deprived anyone of them. I've dragged temporary traffic lights into hedges when they weren't need and had failed causing chaos.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/22/section/65If linky no worky.
New Roads and Street Works Act 1991
c. 22Part IIIGeneral requirements as to...Section 65
Section 6,
Up to £3000 fine I gather for your efforts
Other examples are available
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2...
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 5th January 18:33
jamei303 said:
Gafferjim said:
The majority of temp road signs have the name of the company that own them painted on the back, if you had chance to stop, find out, then google their name, you could complain directly to them.
Best to complain to whichever organisation is the Highways Authority for that road. The sign-owners might be several sub-contractors removed from whoever can do something about it, and may well have no clue where their signs are or who is using them.
Normally when roadworks take place an authorisation is given to lower the speed limit for the duration of the works, until completed. It is supposedly a temporary order.
As with all road works they always take longer than scheduled, After completion the road is subject to its normal speed limits. The A483 outside Wrexham has had 50mph limits left on the dual carriageway for months with no signs of any work taking place.
As with all road works they always take longer than scheduled, After completion the road is subject to its normal speed limits. The A483 outside Wrexham has had 50mph limits left on the dual carriageway for months with no signs of any work taking place.
Derek Smith said:
There is case law about speeding in a length of road subject to a temporary restriction due to roadworks.
As with most case law, it is probably very specific. The circumstances surrounded a speed camera that had been left operational on the removal of road works. The anticipated period was, let us say, 20 weeks but was completed a week early. The road went back to normal, with no restriction on width, nor workers there nor any reason to return.
Despite the signs remaining, the reason for the speed restriction was no longer extant. The judges found no case to answer.
A slightly off-topic tale from my past...As with most case law, it is probably very specific. The circumstances surrounded a speed camera that had been left operational on the removal of road works. The anticipated period was, let us say, 20 weeks but was completed a week early. The road went back to normal, with no restriction on width, nor workers there nor any reason to return.
Despite the signs remaining, the reason for the speed restriction was no longer extant. The judges found no case to answer.
Many years ago I was site manager for a construction project in Aylesbury. We arranged for a temporary road closure for the High Street one Sunday morning, to position a big mobile crane to lift some equipment onto the roof. The road was closed with cones, and we had a young tin-hat bobby on duty keeping the traffic moving at the diversions.
The job was finished in 2 or 3 hours, and the crane packed up and went home. I drove my car out of the site gate, onto the part of the High Street that was closed to traffic, and got out and locked the site gate. While I was locking the gate, the little s
t removed the cones and wrote me out a ticket. I expect he's Chief Constable now, with a fine attitude like that.Edited by hutchst on Monday 7th January 06:35
jamei303 said:
Best to complain to whichever organisation is the Highways Authority for that road.
The sign-owners might be several sub-contractors removed from whoever can do something about it, and may well have no clue where their signs are or who is using them.
it's actually the opposite to what you say. The Highway authority want some work doing on a stretch of road, they hire a contractor who specifies a length of time for the TRO, normally if it's just a short length closure, requiring only a few cones and just a couple of signs, that contractor will deal with it, if however it is a long stretch of closure, often the contractor will sub contract to a traffic management company, who will come along , put the closure on with all the relevant signage etc. Then if the main contractor gets the work finished sooner than expected, they should then ask the sub contractor ie the traffic management co to come along to remove the closure & signage shortly after they've cleared from the site, they would sometimes drop the signs face down, which they've done according to the ops original post, but have missed one or two. It's not unheard of for one person on the works crew to think that someone else has requested the TM company to attend, but that's not happened, so the signs stay there until either someone remembers, or the TM co come along at the 'booked' end of the work to find it's been finished earlier.The sign-owners might be several sub-contractors removed from whoever can do something about it, and may well have no clue where their signs are or who is using them.
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