Devon, Cornwall & Dorset Speed Crackdown from 14 Jan

[Paul Dishman]

For two weeks, plod will be hiding in all unexpected places

https://twitter.com/Adrianleisk/status/10838252882...

"From Monday we will be focussing on speed enforcement for two weeks. We will be anywhere and everywhere, using camera vans and unmarked vehicles to reintroduce the ‘fear of being caught’ to address offending behaviour. Too many people are becoming casualties on our roads"

[Trevor555]

I wish they'd do the same for phone usage.

[S2r]

And lack of insurance, MoT...

[ashleyman]

And red light jumping

[Haltamer]

Great, whilst the police are laying in bushes with laser guns everyone can rape, pillage and murder with impunity - provided you don't speed away from the scene

[XDA]

From the same force last year.....

"Crime has soared in Devon and Cornwall with sexual attacks, possession of weapons, and robbery seeing the biggest increases.

Recorded crime in Devon and Cornwall has risen by nearly a quarter in just a year, one of the biggest rises in England and Wales, from 81,893 offences recorded by police in 2016 to 100,637 in 2017, a rise of 18,744 crimes.

among the types of crime seeing a big rise was violence against the person, with a 10% rise in 2017. In total, police recorded 35,007 violent crimes in 2017, 9,186 more than in 2016.

The force has also seen reports of sexual offences soar in the past year, with a 43% rise in reports between 2016 and 2017, one of the biggest rises recorded in England and Wales, with a total of 4,371 sexual offences reported last year.

Possession of weapons offences were also up, with a 35% rise in 2017, one of the biggest increases in England and Wales, with a total of 807 crimes reported, with a rise also reported in the number of robberies, up by 34% between 2016 and 2017.

Theft offences were also up, by 13% in 2017, with a 3% rise in burglary also reported.

As well as this, drug offences were also rising, up 5% in a year."

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/recorded...

[Guybrush]

XDA said:

From the same force last year.....

"Crime has soared in Devon and Cornwall with sexual attacks, possession of weapons, and robbery seeing the biggest increases.

Recorded crime in Devon and Cornwall has risen by nearly a quarter in just a year, one of the biggest rises in England and Wales, from 81,893 offences recorded by police in 2016 to 100,637 in 2017, a rise of 18,744 crimes.

among the types of crime seeing a big rise was violence against the person, with a 10% rise in 2017. In total, police recorded 35,007 violent crimes in 2017, 9,186 more than in 2016.

The force has also seen reports of sexual offences soar in the past year, with a 43% rise in reports between 2016 and 2017, one of the biggest rises recorded in England and Wales, with a total of 4,371 sexual offences reported last year.

Possession of weapons offences were also up, with a 35% rise in 2017, one of the biggest increases in England and Wales, with a total of 807 crimes reported, with a rise also reported in the number of robberies, up by 34% between 2016 and 2017.

Theft offences were also up, by 13% in 2017, with a 3% rise in burglary also reported.

As well as this, drug offences were also rising, up 5% in a year."

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/recorded...

Quite...

[Geffg]

XDA said:

From the same force last year.....

"Crime has soared in Devon and Cornwall with sexual attacks, possession of weapons, and robbery seeing the biggest increases.

Recorded crime in Devon and Cornwall has risen by nearly a quarter in just a year, one of the biggest rises in England and Wales, from 81,893 offences recorded by police in 2016 to 100,637 in 2017, a rise of 18,744 crimes.

among the types of crime seeing a big rise was violence against the person, with a 10% rise in 2017. In total, police recorded 35,007 violent crimes in 2017, 9,186 more than in 2016.

The force has also seen reports of sexual offences soar in the past year, with a 43% rise in reports between 2016 and 2017, one of the biggest rises recorded in England and Wales, with a total of 4,371 sexual offences reported last year.

Possession of weapons offences were also up, with a 35% rise in 2017, one of the biggest increases in England and Wales, with a total of 807 crimes reported, with a rise also reported in the number of robberies, up by 34% between 2016 and 2017.

Theft offences were also up, by 13% in 2017, with a 3% rise in burglary also reported.

As well as this, drug offences were also rising, up 5% in a year."

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/recorded...

Obviously makes complete sense to come down hard on speeding then!
It’s about everyone stood up and said enough is enough with penalising the motorist any way possible.
We all know we shouldn’t speed etc but in general it’s not the biggest issue we have in this country. Imagine if the police / government put as much resources and money into crime detection! Motorists get harsher penalties for a misdemeanour than a shoplifter, mugger, burglary etc. If I rob a car and speed without a licence and no insurance etc I’d be no worse off than a speeding fine sometimes being legit.
It’s becoming a chore to drive anywhere now with all the cameras, for parking, bus lanes, speeding, yellow boxes, etc,etc and the fines unjustifiable in terms of cost.
I’m so glad I’m the age I am cause at least I had a good few years when driving was enjoyable.

[Dixy]

Nice of them to support it with statistics of how many KSIs there were over the last 5 years and how they will monitor that it has an effect. It is impressive though that they chose to do it in January when the roads will be at their busiest, this being a holiday destination.

[WJNB]

For as much as 2 weeks eh? Wow big deal they really are putting themselves in danger to keep us safe. What next, smacked bottoms for dropping litter?

[vonhosen]

Geffg said:

[snip].....Imagine if the police / government put as much resources and money into crime detection! [/snip]

Seriously???

You honestly believe they put more money/resources into speed enforcement than all other crime?

[Getragdogleg]

vonhosen said:

Geffg said:

[snip].....Imagine if the police / government put as much resources and money into crime detection! [/snip]

Seriously???

Yes really, Cornwall council have been lowering limits around my way for a while now 60s into 40 and that sort of thing, we suspect its so they can maintain the road to a lower standard and as a side effect the Police get a nice little earner going with "speeding" because the limit is now too low for the road so virtually everyone goes over.

When the majority speed then there is something very wrong with the limit.

[rscott]

Trevor555 said:

I wish they'd do the same for phone usage.

Follow up tweet by the officer :-

https://twitter.com/Adrianleisk/status/10838587513...

If they witness poor driving, they will deal with it. Mobile phones, drink/drug driving, lane hogging, undertaking, insurance/document offences all will be dealt with. Nothing is being ignored. What hopefully they won’t be doing is dealing with a relentless number of collisions

I prefer the approach Essex Police take -
https://www.essex.police.uk/news/news-and-features...

They'll target an area for a few hours, with a combination of police, immigration and DVSA officials. Most offences are insurance, MOT, tax and seatbelts, but they always catch a few on phones and speeding.

[vonhosen]

Getragdogleg said:

vonhosen said:

Geffg said:

[snip].....Imagine if the police / government put as much resources and money into crime detection! [/snip]

Seriously???

Yes really, Cornwall council have been lowering limits around my way for a while now 60s into 40 and that sort of thing, we suspect its so they can maintain the road to a lower standard and as a side effect the Police get a nice little earner going with "speeding" because the limit is now too low for the road so virtually everyone goes over.

When the majority speed then there is something very wrong with the limit.

Councils were asked to review limits by the government, so guess what they did as they were told using the criteria they were told.

Look at what I snipped .......You honestly believe they use more resources/officers to enforce speed limits than they use on all other crime?
If you do believe that, you're deluded beyond hope.

The majority (pretty much everybody) commit Sec 3 (inconsiderate/careless driving) RTA offences. It doesn't make Sec 3 RTA poor law.

[Paul Dishman]

rscott said:

Follow up tweet by the officer :-

https://twitter.com/Adrianleisk/status/10838587513...

If they witness poor driving, they will deal with it. Mobile phones, drink/drug driving, lane hogging, undertaking, insurance/document offences all will be dealt with. Nothing is being ignored. What hopefully they won’t be doing is dealing with a relentless number of collisions

I prefer the approach Essex Police take -
https://www.essex.police.uk/news/news-and-features...

They'll target an area for a few hours, with a combination of police, immigration and DVSA officials. Most offences are insurance, MOT, tax and seatbelts, but they always catch a few on phones and speeding.

To be fair to D&C they do spend a lot of time using ANPR to catch people without driving licences, insurance, MOT and tax.

But I had three pharmacies in Exeter broken into at various times over a period of thirty years and they never managed to catch anyone, so I've a rather jaundiced view as to their effectiveness.

The speeding clampdown is a publicity stunt as much as anything else as the P&CC Alison Hernandez is trying to make a name for herself, wanting speeding fines hypothecated to the local force, so the pompous tweets from Liesk can be seen in that light.

[Butter Face]

I've already noticed more police on the roads in the last few days, sitting on overpasses etc. Few more undercover cars too, spotted an M140i undercover last week!

Saw an X5 flash the blues at a 3 series who was going a bit too fast earlier, didn't pull him, just enough warning to make him back off an get back in the left had lane!

[Paul Dishman]

Here's the press release

https://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/News/NewsArti...

[Geffg]

vonhosen said:

Seriously???

You honestly believe they put more money/resources into speed enforcement than all other crime?

Didn’t particularly mean it literally that they spend more money etc on speed detection, but in comparison to the actual crime committed. How much time and resource goes into finding a stolen car, burglary, theft etc which is hardly any as they don’t have the resource to do so. But they have the time to hide nd catch someone breaking a speed limit!
Always see more and more cameras going up etc and motorists being penalised for even the slightest fault. But let’s let shoplifters off with warnings, punch someone let’s give a warning etc etc. Scum bags get away with so much yet a motorist gets punished more.

[vonhosen]

Geffg said:

vonhosen said:

Seriously???

You honestly believe they put more money/resources into speed enforcement than all other crime?

Didn’t particularly mean it literally that they spend more money etc on speed detection, but in comparison to the actual crime committed. How much time and resource goes into finding a stolen car, burglary, theft etc which is hardly any as they don’t have the resource to do so. But they have the time to hide nd catch someone breaking a speed limit!
Always see more and more cameras going up etc and motorists being penalised for even the slightest fault. But let’s let shoplifters off with warnings, punch someone let’s give a warning etc etc. Scum bags get away with so much yet a motorist gets punished more.

They have far more resources targeting/dealing with acquisitive crime than they do with road traffic matters (that's all road traffic matters not just speeding).

There will always be more acquisitive crime than resources to deal with that acquisitive crime. Because of that they have to screen/filter the crimes & deploy the resources (that they have to deal with acquisitive crime) to those crimes that they are most likely to be able identify & prosecute an offender. There is no point throwing hours & resources at crimes that have no useful leads or likelihood of identifying the offender, just because somebody is aggrieved that they are a victim. They will of course, for the most serious & relatively rare matters (ie murders) deploy a large number of resources due to the seriousness of the crime & public interest in that serious crime resulting in the offender being identified & prosecuted, but that's not going to happen for relatively minor (compared to offences like murder) thefts. Typically 85-90% of homicides result in a charge though.

There will always be far more road traffic offences than they have resources to deal with & as I said the resources reserved for road traffic matters are a small fraction of all resources, so they will only deal with a small fraction of all road traffic offending.
The arguably more serious road offences result in penalty points on licences or bans. The fact there are far more offences committed than there is ability to deal with them all is supported by the fact that pretty much all 47 million licence holders regularly commit offences that could see them potentially end up with penalty points, but less than 6% of that 47 million have any penalty points on their licence.

Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 12th January 17:33

[LosingGrip]

Have a look at the No excuse Facebook and Twitter pages, it isn't just speed they deal with. There are often weeks of action for different offences.

Twitter.com/DorsetNoExcuse
Twitter.com/DC_NoExcuse
Facebook.com/DorsetPoliceNoExcuse