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Hi there I'm not sure this is the right forum to come to for this subject but anyway I'm sure some one will direct me to the correct one if not!!....
I have a Snooker 4zero I've had it for about 2 years now it's always been pretty good but recently I've noticed even though I wasn't speeding that it didn't pick up 3 hand held speed laser guns even though they were pointing directly at my car .. so the question is do I need to upgrade and do I stick with a newer Snooker.. Thanx Mark
I have a Snooker 4zero I've had it for about 2 years now it's always been pretty good but recently I've noticed even though I wasn't speeding that it didn't pick up 3 hand held speed laser guns even though they were pointing directly at my car .. so the question is do I need to upgrade and do I stick with a newer Snooker.. Thanx Mark
By the time they detect you will have already been caught, unless you want to go all out (£1k+) with a decent jammer that doesn't trigger a code (and run the risk of perverting course of justice) then the only legal options are running Waze and using a Target blue eye though this won't help if it's civilians that are manning the camera's.
untakenname said:
By the time they detect you will have already been caught, unless you want to go all out (£1k+) with a decent jammer that doesn't trigger a code (and run the risk of perverting course of justice) then the only legal options are running Waze and using a Target blue eye though this won't help if it's civilians that are manning the camera's.
A jammer that doesn’t trigger a code! That’s a laugh.A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
untakenname said:
By the time they detect you will have already been caught, unless you want to go all out (£1k+) with a decent jammer that doesn't trigger a code (and run the risk of perverting course of justice) then the only legal options are running Waze and using a Target blue eye though this won't help if it's civilians that are manning the camera's.
Wrong! 
The other legal option is to obey the speed limits!
Repel_Max said:
A jammer that doesn’t trigger a code! That’s a laugh.
A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
They are a terrible idea as you are risking jail to avoid a speeding ticket.A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
However it's impossible to know if an operator can "Spot a jammer every time" since they will only know if they spot one.
Given how few convictions there have been, compared to how many must be in use that seems a bold claim.
They are used around the world and there have been lots of tests, with all the guns the UK Police use. With the top of the line ones the errors are indistinguishable from those which occur in normal use.
Graveworm said:
Repel_Max said:
A jammer that doesn’t trigger a code! That’s a laugh.
A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
They are a terrible idea as you are risking jail to avoid a speeding ticket.A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
However it's impossible to know if an operator can "Spot a jammer every time" since they will only know if they spot one.
Given how few convictions there have been, compared to how many must be in use that seems a bold claim.
They are used around the world and there have been lots of tests, with all the guns the UK Police use. With the top of the line ones the errors are indistinguishable from those which occur in normal use.
I suppose you have a collection of jammers and laser speedmeters and have done your research and testing. Or not, as the case may be.
Repel_Max said:
Graveworm said:
Repel_Max said:
A jammer that doesn’t trigger a code! That’s a laugh.
A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
They are a terrible idea as you are risking jail to avoid a speeding ticket.A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
However it's impossible to know if an operator can "Spot a jammer every time" since they will only know if they spot one.
Given how few convictions there have been, compared to how many must be in use that seems a bold claim.
They are used around the world and there have been lots of tests, with all the guns the UK Police use. With the top of the line ones the errors are indistinguishable from those which occur in normal use.
I suppose you have a collection of jammers and laser speedmeters and have done your research and testing. Or not, as the case may be.
Others have as I said.
I accept that what you say about when and where errors occur makes a lot of sense. However it doesn't support your statement that they can "Spot a jammer every time" and the numbers don't either.
Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 26th January 15:12
Graveworm said:
Repel_Max said:
Graveworm said:
Repel_Max said:
A jammer that doesn’t trigger a code! That’s a laugh.
A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
They are a terrible idea as you are risking jail to avoid a speeding ticket.A properly trained operator can spot a jammer every time.
£1000 can be better invested I think.
However it's impossible to know if an operator can "Spot a jammer every time" since they will only know if they spot one.
Given how few convictions there have been, compared to how many must be in use that seems a bold claim.
They are used around the world and there have been lots of tests, with all the guns the UK Police use. With the top of the line ones the errors are indistinguishable from those which occur in normal use.
I suppose you have a collection of jammers and laser speedmeters and have done your research and testing. Or not, as the case may be.
Others have as I said.
I accept that what you say about when and where errors occur makes a lot of sense. However it doesn't support your statement that they can "Spot a jammer every time" and the numbers don't either.
Edited by Graveworm on Saturday 26th January 15:12
You are also assuming that every case that is detected is dealt with at a court hearing, not every one is. Not every case that does get dealt with in court is reported, google it and you may see that there have been a number of cases reported, what you cannot see are the number of cases that are not reported, I know about the unreported cases, do you and if so how? For example I sat in a Crown Court this week that dealt with a person detected using a laser jammer, it isn't reported as far as I have found. Maybe you have the court data for that case
So essentially you are spouting assumed guff from your imaginary world of numbers again.
Edited by Repel_Max on Saturday 26th January 15:49
Repel_Max said:
You have made an assumption about the numbers of devices in use. Well, either it's an assumption or you have market information/data that explains clearly how many of these devices have been sold and fitted and are in full use.
You are also assuming that every case that is detected is dealt with at a court hearing, not every one is. Not every case that does get dealt with in court is reported, google it and you may see that there have been a number of cases reported, what you cannot see are the number of cases that are not reported, I know about the unreported cases, do you and if so how? For example I sat in a Crown Court this week that dealt with a person detected using a laser jammer, it isn't reported as far as I have found. Maybe you have the court data for that case
So essentially you are spouting assumed guff from your imaginary world of numbers again.
I have made an assumption about the number of devices in use given the numbers advertised, the interest on forums, the numbers available and that they are far more than get dealt with. You are also assuming that every case that is detected is dealt with at a court hearing, not every one is. Not every case that does get dealt with in court is reported, google it and you may see that there have been a number of cases reported, what you cannot see are the number of cases that are not reported, I know about the unreported cases, do you and if so how? For example I sat in a Crown Court this week that dealt with a person detected using a laser jammer, it isn't reported as far as I have found. Maybe you have the court data for that case
So essentially you are spouting assumed guff from your imaginary world of numbers again.
Edited by Repel_Max on Saturday 26th January 15:49
Last year a maximum of about half a dozen people could possibly have been convicted. It is almost certainly less than that as the only one that actually mentions a jammer is the Hill case. I don't know how many were detected and not convicted. But it is pretty clear that if they were Always detected" then very soon there would be no devices in use.
As an aside if you were in a Crown Court this week they were not convicted.
Graveworm said:
I have made an assumption about the number of devices in use given the numbers advertised, the interest on forums, the numbers available and that they are far more than get dealt with.
Last year a maximum of about half a dozen people could possibly have been convicted. It is almost certainly less than that as the only one that actually mentions a jammer is the Hill case. I don't know how many were detected and not convicted. But it is pretty clear that if they were Always detected" then very soon there would be no devices in use.
As an aside if you were in a Crown Court this week they were not convicted.
The defendant was convicted. Last year a maximum of about half a dozen people could possibly have been convicted. It is almost certainly less than that as the only one that actually mentions a jammer is the Hill case. I don't know how many were detected and not convicted. But it is pretty clear that if they were Always detected" then very soon there would be no devices in use.
As an aside if you were in a Crown Court this week they were not convicted.
Unless of course I sat in the court and had a dream about something completely different. Maybe I drifted into the world according to Graveworm.
Your tendency to assume what you most certainly cannot possibly know demonstrates you are an idiot.
Repel_Max said:
The defendant was convicted.
Unless of course I sat in the court and had a dream about something completely different. Maybe I drifted into the world according to Graveworm.
Your tendency to assume what you most certainly cannot possibly know demonstrates you are an idiot.
So what were they convicted of and in which court? As no one was convicted of perverting the course of justice last week in anything like the circumstances that would suggest a jammer:Unless of course I sat in the court and had a dream about something completely different. Maybe I drifted into the world according to Graveworm.
Your tendency to assume what you most certainly cannot possibly know demonstrates you are an idiot.
Let me help you out with the 2 people convicted in E&W Crown Courts for perverting the course of justice last week:
25-01-2019 Chelmsford Crown Court Judge Gratwicke LL.D hc (The Honorary Recorder of Chelmsford) XXXXXX Male aged 19 years Murder
Having possession of a controlled substance with intent to supply [2 counts]
Perverting the course of justice - Committing an act intending to pervert the course of justice
Handling stolen goods
Failing to surrender to custody - Offence of absconding by person released on bail
Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice
Possession of an article with a blade or a sharp point in a public place [2 counts]
Circs He was found guilty of murder in Chelmsford, Essex, on 5 August 2017.
24-01-2019 Luton Crown Court Judge Barbara Mensah XXXXXXXX Male 46 Years Perverting the course of justice - Committing an act intending to pervert the course of justice
Fraud by false representation [7 counts]
Circs He was found guilty (retrial) of fraud by false representation and committing acts with intent to pervert the course of justice between 2012 and 2015. He made fraudulent mortgage applications (£...
So what was it again I couldn't possibly know??
Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 27th January 12:27
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