Bank junction - Two fines within 30 minutes
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Hello petrolheads
I went to pick up a mate who works in the city. All happy and excited to catch up since we haven't met in years. I know the area quite well but I haven't been there in, well, years....
6 pm, making sure i don't hit the millions of people just crossing the roads whenever they feel like it and cyclists not following any rules since they have no driving license, I did not see the 7am-7pm restriction. After picking up my mate I went back the same way and that's when we both saw the sign but we were already on the junction. So that's 2 tickets within 30 minutes.
I'm not gonna moan about getting fined. I'm just wondering if I should appeal the second ticket and risk missing out on the discounted "pay within 14days" incase my appeal will not be successful.
I went to pick up a mate who works in the city. All happy and excited to catch up since we haven't met in years. I know the area quite well but I haven't been there in, well, years....
6 pm, making sure i don't hit the millions of people just crossing the roads whenever they feel like it and cyclists not following any rules since they have no driving license, I did not see the 7am-7pm restriction. After picking up my mate I went back the same way and that's when we both saw the sign but we were already on the junction. So that's 2 tickets within 30 minutes.
I'm not gonna moan about getting fined. I'm just wondering if I should appeal the second ticket and risk missing out on the discounted "pay within 14days" incase my appeal will not be successful.
That made me chuckle.M-Power said:
Hello petrolheads
I went to pick up a mate who works in the city. All happy and excited to catch up since we haven't met in years. I know the area quite well but I haven't been there in, well, years....
6 pm, making sure i don't hit the millions of people just crossing the roads whenever they feel like it and cyclists not following any rules since they have no driving license, I did not see the 7am-7pm restriction. After picking up my mate I went back the same way and that's when we both saw the sign but we were already on the junction. So that's 2 tickets within 30 minutes.
I'm not gonna moan about getting fined. I'm just wondering if I should appeal the second ticket and risk missing out on the discounted "pay within 14days" incase my appeal will not be successful.
It's been in the news a lot. Unfortunately you did both crimes and if they are far enough apart then the system will get you twice, so both fines. I went to pick up a mate who works in the city. All happy and excited to catch up since we haven't met in years. I know the area quite well but I haven't been there in, well, years....
6 pm, making sure i don't hit the millions of people just crossing the roads whenever they feel like it and cyclists not following any rules since they have no driving license, I did not see the 7am-7pm restriction. After picking up my mate I went back the same way and that's when we both saw the sign but we were already on the junction. So that's 2 tickets within 30 minutes.
I'm not gonna moan about getting fined. I'm just wondering if I should appeal the second ticket and risk missing out on the discounted "pay within 14days" incase my appeal will not be successful.
It was a strange thought process.
The problem:
Too many cyclists are being involved in accidents.
Other factors:
Cycling accounts for 1 percent of journeys and less than 0.01 percent of commercial transport.
Solution:
Ban 85 percent of road users.
Result
Accidents have only fallen by half. Disabled access has been made far more difficult and congestion has massively increased. Cycling continues to fall.
This does look like agenda over logic. Be interesting to see how the trial is viewed.
An appeal won't hurt - not sure what grounds you'd have for one though?
(I wonder if the OP will be back in 13 years to reply?!)
Not having a dig, but genuinely I don't know any adult cyclists who don't have a license to drive a car. I do know a few that drive more than one vehicle other than their bike though. I should add that I'm not in London though, where I imagine the numbers look very different.
(I wonder if the OP will be back in 13 years to reply?!)
Not having a dig, but genuinely I don't know any adult cyclists who don't have a license to drive a car. I do know a few that drive more than one vehicle other than their bike though. I should add that I'm not in London though, where I imagine the numbers look very different.
tigger1 said:
An appeal won't hurt - not sure what grounds you'd have for one though?
(I wonder if the OP will be back in 13 years to reply?!)
Not having a dig, but genuinely I don't know any adult cyclists who don't have a license to drive a car. I do know a few that drive more than one vehicle other than their bike though. I should add that I'm not in London though, where I imagine the numbers look very different.
I have access to and pay for 3 cars, before my wife retired from the blue oval company I had access to 5 cars. (I wonder if the OP will be back in 13 years to reply?!)
Not having a dig, but genuinely I don't know any adult cyclists who don't have a license to drive a car. I do know a few that drive more than one vehicle other than their bike though. I should add that I'm not in London though, where I imagine the numbers look very different.
I used to commute by bike into central london on a daily basis.
I haven't lived in London for 5 years, still knew about the Bank restrictions though.
If you're travelling into London to meet someone it's likely you live in the greater London area. How come you didn't know?
livinginasia said:
I remember reading an article in the Evening Standard saying its generating nearly 2 million pounds per month in fines.
There is motivation for you !
That must be rubbish - that's nearly 65 fines per hour or more than one every minute assuming they're not being paid timelyThere is motivation for you !
Not sure why people are laying into the OP. Seems to be a PH norm these days.
I'm a London resident and have been since 1962. I ride and drive in London and also have no idea what a Bank Restriction is?
In fact I drove the same roads a few nights back. Peeing with rain and trying to make sure I didn't go in the bus lane, not exceed the 20mph limit whilst avoiding badly lit cyclists and phone obsessed pedestrians.
I had a nagging feeling about some no private car b0llox that I might be transgressing, but no ticket so far.
I'm a London resident and have been since 1962. I ride and drive in London and also have no idea what a Bank Restriction is?
In fact I drove the same roads a few nights back. Peeing with rain and trying to make sure I didn't go in the bus lane, not exceed the 20mph limit whilst avoiding badly lit cyclists and phone obsessed pedestrians.
I had a nagging feeling about some no private car b0llox that I might be transgressing, but no ticket so far.
Graveworm said:
It's been in the news a lot. Unfortunately you did both crimes and if they are far enough apart then the system will get you twice, so both fines.
It was a strange thought process.
The problem:
Too many cyclists are being involved in accidents.
Other factors:
Cycling accounts for 1 percent of journeys and less than 0.01 percent of commercial transport.
Solution:
Ban 85 percent of road users.
Result
Accidents have only fallen by half. Disabled access has been made far more difficult and congestion has massively increased. Cycling continues to fall.
This does look like agenda over logic. Be interesting to see how the trial is viewed.
I pass through that Bank junction most days, usually on foot, however I do also cycle through it. I never used to cycle through it until the traffic bar came in as it was too dangerous.It was a strange thought process.
The problem:
Too many cyclists are being involved in accidents.
Other factors:
Cycling accounts for 1 percent of journeys and less than 0.01 percent of commercial transport.
Solution:
Ban 85 percent of road users.
Result
Accidents have only fallen by half. Disabled access has been made far more difficult and congestion has massively increased. Cycling continues to fall.
This does look like agenda over logic. Be interesting to see how the trial is viewed.
My understanding is that the trial is now over and the ban is permanent.
The junction was remarkably dangerous, it is a complex junction with a multitude of routes in and out and (in rush hour in particular) who had thousands of people passing through it an hour on foot or bicycle. Where drivers know where they are going and indicate its fine but many dont know where they are going and they indicate at the last minute, you have pedestrians crossing whether their lights are green or not. It needed something doing.
Roadworks in the surrounding streets didn't help congestion but congestion in the surrounding streets does appear to have fallen recently.
tinnitusjosh said:
That must be rubbish - that's nearly 65 fines per hour or more than one every minute assuming they're not being paid timely
It wouldn't surprise me as some wont be paid on time, and I go though that junction twice every day and on every occasion will see at least one and more likely two or more vehicles pass through it that shouldn't.Whilst I have no doubt that the signage complies with legislation I am not surprised so many people drive through the junction. most of the approach roads are so busy with pedestrians and cyclists that drivers need to keep their wits about them. I suspect many drivers are too busy taking care to avoid the pedestrians that will just step out etc that they miss the signs. There are entry signs on the junction but no change in tarmac etc to assist.
Just looked it up. Looks very confusing and before everyone descends on me, I still drive sometimes for a living and spent from the day I got my licence in 1980, riding motorbikes and driving cars and trucks in and around London.
Thankfully it has not been my main source of income since 1991 but I still regularly have to drive in London.
Major junction approached on all side by many main routes across the city. Arrows seem to lead you into the junction with no way out. Are U-turns allowed?
Are there viable alternatives? and are these alternatives sign posted?
Once more it looks like a clusterfek of an idea.
I must post up a pic of the cycle lane near me. A two lane road, Magdalen Road, with the painted cycle lane taking up most of the East bound lane, thus forcing cars into the path of the West bound lane.
Probably worth a new thread. Road planning by cocks, examples of
Thankfully it has not been my main source of income since 1991 but I still regularly have to drive in London.
Major junction approached on all side by many main routes across the city. Arrows seem to lead you into the junction with no way out. Are U-turns allowed?
Are there viable alternatives? and are these alternatives sign posted?
Once more it looks like a clusterfek of an idea.
I must post up a pic of the cycle lane near me. A two lane road, Magdalen Road, with the painted cycle lane taking up most of the East bound lane, thus forcing cars into the path of the West bound lane.
Probably worth a new thread. Road planning by cocks, examples of
tinnitusjosh said:
livinginasia said:
I remember reading an article in the Evening Standard saying its generating nearly 2 million pounds per month in fines.
There is motivation for you !
That must be rubbish - that's nearly 65 fines per hour or more than one every minute assuming they're not being paid timelyThere is motivation for you !
And now that there are (almost) no cars, taxis, lorries, vans, motorbikes etc, it has given free reign to cyclists to traverse the junction at full pelt, often ignoring red lights and pedestrians crossing.
And pedestrians are no better either (me included) - as soon as there is a gap, they will cross irrespective of whether the lights are for or against them. I saw someone get completely wiped out by the BofE a while back and the cyclist took a heavy tumble too. Both were to blame as the bike had shot a red light on the other side of the junction and the person crossing g just wasn’t looking.
I preferred it when there was traffic there - it made everyone calm down a bit.
And pedestrians are no better either (me included) - as soon as there is a gap, they will cross irrespective of whether the lights are for or against them. I saw someone get completely wiped out by the BofE a while back and the cyclist took a heavy tumble too. Both were to blame as the bike had shot a red light on the other side of the junction and the person crossing g just wasn’t looking.
I preferred it when there was traffic there - it made everyone calm down a bit.
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