60% of crimes not investigated
Discussion
Gameface said:
"If your life is in danger, you've been seriously hurt, we will still turn up," Mr Hopkins told BBC Radio Manchester.
Mr Hopkins then added "sorry, I have to get back to the station now - ive just been informed that someone on twitter called someone else on twitter a "great big s
thead", so all leave has been cancelled until we get to the bottom of that horrendous crime".Had the Twitter comment just need a speeding one. But disappointed it wasn’t he first reply.
Demand has increased over the past decade and there are fewer officers.
Seems a pretty obviously cause and effect.
I imagine within the 60% most have a low / very-low probability of detection regardless of anything else.
Demand has increased over the past decade and there are fewer officers.
Seems a pretty obviously cause and effect.
I imagine within the 60% most have a low / very-low probability of detection regardless of anything else.
daddy cool said:
Mr Hopkins then added "sorry, I have to get back to the station now - ive just been informed that someone on twitter called someone else on twitter a "great big sthead", so all leave has been cancelled until we get to the bottom of that horrendous crime".
Trust me that the vast majority of those in policing share your frustrations with this but the police have next to zero discretion in what gets “recorded” as a crime. It’s down to the home office. They and the constabulary inspectorate are ruthless in checking the rules have been applied.thead", so all leave has been cancelled until we get to the bottom of that horrendous crime".True story 1
Boy blows paper off a McDonald’s straw at his friend sitting opposite. Misses. Hits the back of the head of a girl sat at the next table. She doesn’t even notice. Passing member of the public is “outraged” enough to report this “assault” to the police. Rules dictate “outraged” is spoken to and the matter Is crimed. Takes a few hours of police time.
True story 2.
Shed gets burgled. Cheeky bugger takes a massive garden furniture set piece by piece. Victim phones up and gets crime number. The home owner does some enquiries with neighbours. Possibly able to give a loose route burglar possibly took with the property, but ultimately not a lot to go on.
Now, on many occasions this would be screened out, but it just so happened I had a few staff spare not dealing with “outraged et al.”
Sent them out to knock on doors. Found cctv. Led to a few more doors. Led to some intel. Led to searching the systems. Led to a likely suspect. Led to a few more front doors. led to enough to lock him up. Led to furniture reunited with owner within 12hrs, a lot of other stolen property and a big bag of drugs. Net result is burglar will hopefully get some jail time. Takes a few hours of police time.
The point being the ability to do true story 2 is severely curtailed by having to comply with true story 1.
It really is just a lottery sometimes. The staff I used on true story 2 just happened to be available because there wasn’t as much true story 1 going on at that particular time.
Sad and frustrating but that’s the reality of it.
La Liga said:
They all still manage to keep the prisons constantly full, which isn't bad in the circumstances.
For the more serious offences maybe - they are the offence types that wont be screened out.Its the volume, less serious quality of life impacting crime types that get screened out.
Phil Dicky said:
I imagine most Forces fall under this category, but with constant cut backs it's to be expected. Nothing a well informed person wouldn't have already assumed.
Austerity for you.But any increase in crime is not down to the cuts, apparantly.
In my thinking, if crims know they are more likely to get away with it they will do more. That seems to go against the official line though.
Less manpower, more demand = unsurprising outcome
Bigends said:
La Liga said:
They all still manage to keep the prisons constantly full, which isn't bad in the circumstances.
For the more serious offences maybe - they are the offence types that wont be screened out.Its the volume, less serious quality of life impacting crime types that get screened out.
I bet the vast majority would be undetected even with officer attendance (assuming they're screened well enough). Forces have done some experimentation, including sending officers / CSI to burglaries and not sending them to burglaries (ones without obvious lines of inquiry / forensic opportunities). They outcomes didn't change.
I never liked the policies of 'send CID to all burglaries' as they didn't seem based on any rational outcome improvements. My view was send them to the ones where there's a reasonable change of detection.
La Liga said:
I wonder what the actual probability of detection is vs the perception and 'comfort' of merely having a police officer come and visit is with those crimes.
I bet the vast majority would be undetected even with officer attendance (assuming they're screened well enough). Forces have done some experimentation, including sending officers / CSI to burglaries and not sending them to burglaries (ones without obvious lines of inquiry / forensic opportunities). They outcomes didn't change.
I never liked the policies of 'send CID to all burglaries' as they didn't seem based on any rational outcome improvements. My view was send them to the ones where there's a reasonable change of detection.
That's all pretty sensible. But if there are patches of crime in specific areas they need more investigation than a single crime with low chance of detection.I bet the vast majority would be undetected even with officer attendance (assuming they're screened well enough). Forces have done some experimentation, including sending officers / CSI to burglaries and not sending them to burglaries (ones without obvious lines of inquiry / forensic opportunities). They outcomes didn't change.
I never liked the policies of 'send CID to all burglaries' as they didn't seem based on any rational outcome improvements. My view was send them to the ones where there's a reasonable change of detection.
There needs to be a balance, and manpower to achieve it.
It is very easy to say, very little chance of solving that so just record it and move on. A lot harder to say, that needs investigating when no manpower is available.
Coilspring said:
La Liga said:
I wonder what the actual probability of detection is vs the perception and 'comfort' of merely having a police officer come and visit is with those crimes.
I bet the vast majority would be undetected even with officer attendance (assuming they're screened well enough). Forces have done some experimentation, including sending officers / CSI to burglaries and not sending them to burglaries (ones without obvious lines of inquiry / forensic opportunities). They outcomes didn't change.
I never liked the policies of 'send CID to all burglaries' as they didn't seem based on any rational outcome improvements. My view was send them to the ones where there's a reasonable change of detection.
That's all pretty sensible. But if there are patches of crime in specific areas they need more investigation than a single crime with low chance of detection.I bet the vast majority would be undetected even with officer attendance (assuming they're screened well enough). Forces have done some experimentation, including sending officers / CSI to burglaries and not sending them to burglaries (ones without obvious lines of inquiry / forensic opportunities). They outcomes didn't change.
I never liked the policies of 'send CID to all burglaries' as they didn't seem based on any rational outcome improvements. My view was send them to the ones where there's a reasonable change of detection.
There needs to be a balance, and manpower to achieve it.
It is very easy to say, very little chance of solving that so just record it and move on. A lot harder to say, that needs investigating when no manpower is available.
One of the fundamental issues is the police spend far too much time on things they shouldn't be involved in, or should be involved in to a lesser degree like child protection, mental health, anti-social behaviour and missing people.
Certainly if one area of my force was hit by a certain crime type - even low level - the area could put a request through to the control room requesting mandatory attendance whenever that crime type was reported. These reports wouldnt therefore be screened out but linked on the crime system and allocated to one investigator to deal and update.
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