NIP - will it effect my insurance
NIP - will it effect my insurance
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ColinM50

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2,699 posts

204 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Got caught speeding in May doing 50 in a 40, first time on years, so did the speed awareness course. Bugger me got caught Wed for same offence, but this time doing 45 in a 40. Guess I'll have to take the 3 points since I've already done the SA course.

So what's the repercussions of 3 points on a licence? Renewed insurance on 27th so it'll be a year before I have to tell 'em. Is that right or do I have to tell them now?

p4cks

7,497 posts

228 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Just need to tell them at renewal time

Expect an increase in your premium. Go on to a price comparison site to find out a ball park figure

martinbiz

3,699 posts

174 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Are you sure it's 45? enforcement would normally start at 46

RSTurboPaul

13,090 posts

287 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Read the T&Cs of your insurance policy document.

Some companies only need advising on renewal, some need advising immediately.


In theory you could not tell them and get a year without it on the insurance, to save a few quid, but you might then spend a lot of quid if you have an accident and they refuse to cover you because you didn't inform them of a change to your circumstances that would have affected what quotation they gave you.


SP40 is unlikely to make any major difference to you premium so you might as well tell them and be done with!


45 in a 40 is harsh, though - that's under the 10%+2mph ACPO guidelines (assuming they are still recommended). Whereabouts was it?

anonymous-user

83 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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I think the usual T and C is you have to tell an insurance company as soon as possible anything that is a change in circumstances but depends what your policy says so give that a good read first.

Lindun

1,965 posts

91 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
Read the T&Cs of your insurance policy document.

Some companies only need advising on renewal, some need advising immediately.


In theory you could not tell them and get a year without it on the insurance, to save a few quid, but you might then spend a lot of quid if you have an accident and they refuse to cover you because you didn't inform them of a change to your circumstances that would have affected what quotation they gave you.


SP40 is unlikely to make any major difference to you premium so you might as well tell them and be done with!


45 in a 40 is harsh, though - that's under the 10%+2mph ACPO guidelines (assuming they are still recommended). Whereabouts was it?
That’s all wrong. His price will not go up this year whether he tells them or not, nor will it be affected if he doesn’t tell them until renewal.

roadsmash

2,667 posts

99 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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RSTurboPaul said:
Read the T&Cs of your insurance policy document.

Some companies only need advising on renewal, some need advising immediately.


In theory you could not tell them and get a year without it on the insurance, to save a few quid, but you might then spend a lot of quid if you have an accident and they refuse to cover you because you didn't inform them of a change to your circumstances that would have affected what quotation they gave you.


SP40 is unlikely to make any major difference to you premium so you might as well tell them and be done with!


45 in a 40 is harsh, though - that's under the 10%+2mph ACPO guidelines (assuming they are still recommended). Whereabouts was it?
What makes you think it will be an SP40?

TwigtheWonderkid

49,071 posts

179 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Lindun said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Read the T&Cs of your insurance policy document.

Some companies only need advising on renewal, some need advising immediately.


In theory you could not tell them and get a year without it on the insurance, to save a few quid, but you might then spend a lot of quid if you have an accident and they refuse to cover you because you didn't inform them of a change to your circumstances that would have affected what quotation they gave you.


SP40 is unlikely to make any major difference to you premium so you might as well tell them and be done with!


45 in a 40 is harsh, though - that's under the 10%+2mph ACPO guidelines (assuming they are still recommended). Whereabouts was it?
That’s all wrong. His price will not go up this year whether he tells them or not, nor will it be affected if he doesn’t tell them until renewal.
Correct, although if you tell them mid term, they can charge you an admin fee for storing the info until next renewal. So don't tell them until renewal.

martinbiz

3,699 posts

174 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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OP look at your policy or phone and then you will know, but whenever you need to tell them you will not need to pay any more until renewal.
ignore people saying you will or won't pay more, each case is individual and any loading on your premium at renewal will depend on many factors

Lindun

1,965 posts

91 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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martinbiz said:
OP look at your policy or phone and then you will know, but whenever you need to tell them you will not need to pay any more until renewal.
ignore people saying you will or won't pay more, each case is individual and any loading on your premium at renewal will depend on many factors
He won’t pay more this year no matter who he’s with. He may or may not pay more next year.

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

276 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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I have had a couple of 3 pointers in the last two years and i think my premium has gone up by about £50 in total.



TwigtheWonderkid

49,071 posts

179 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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martinbiz said:
OP look at your policy or phone and then you will know, but whenever you need to tell them you will not need to pay any more until renewal.
ignore people saying you will or won't pay more, each case is individual and any loading on your premium at renewal will depend on many factors
Utterly wrong. The ABI ruled on this years ago. In the UK, an insurer cannot insist in being told about convictions mid term, unless they come with a ban and you're meant to be the main driver, and if they are told, out of the goodness of your heart, they cannot charge you additional premium (but can charge an admin fee)

So don't listen to Martinbiz and just don't tell them. But make sure you remember to tell them at next renewal.

No need to read your contract.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,071 posts

179 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Shuvi McTupya said:
I have had a couple of 3 pointers in the last two years and i think my premium has gone up by about £50 in total.
On it's own, that's pretty hopeless info. If your premium before hand was £100, that's pretty grim. If it was £2K, that's a great result.

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

276 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Shuvi McTupya said:
I have had a couple of 3 pointers in the last two years and i think my premium has gone up by about £50 in total.
On it's own, that's pretty hopeless info. If your premium before hand was £100, that's pretty grim. If it was £2K, that's a great result.
Its gone from about £300 - £350 ish..

ColinM50

Original Poster:

2,699 posts

204 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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Thanks all. Current premium on a Sportage is £230 so I shouldn't expect it to go up much? Think I will tell them, otherwise they've got wiggle room should I have an accident during the year.

It was on the A45 around Rushden, going from 70 down to 40 in roadworks - a police transit van at the side of the road. What's worse I saw the bugger but obviously didn't slow down quickly enough

Lindun

1,965 posts

91 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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ColinM50 said:
Thanks all. Current premium on a Sportage is £230 so I shouldn't expect it to go up much? Think I will tell them, otherwise they've got wiggle room should I have an accident during the year.

It was on the A45 around Rushden, going from 70 down to 40 in roadworks - a police transit van at the side of the road. What's worse I saw the bugger but obviously didn't slow down quickly enough
They’ve not got any wriggle room at all.

martinbiz

3,699 posts

174 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
martinbiz said:
OP look at your policy or phone and then you will know, but whenever you need to tell them you will not need to pay any more until renewal.
ignore people saying you will or won't pay more, each case is individual and any loading on your premium at renewal will depend on many factors
Utterly wrong. The ABI ruled on this years ago. In the UK, an insurer cannot insist in being told about convictions mid term, unless they come with a ban and you're meant to be the main driver, and if they are told, out of the goodness of your heart, they cannot charge you additional premium (but can charge an admin fee)

So don't listen to Martinbiz and just don't tell them. But make sure you remember to tell them at next renewal.

No need to read your contract.
OP none of what l said is ‘utterly wrong’ twig has a habit of being an obnoxious know it all t**t sometimes, phoning them will do no harm at all, horses mouth and all that, as twig rightly says these days there is no need, but it will do no harm if it puts your mind at rest. The second part about the premium loading is absolutely correct, many factors will be taken into account. 3 points for an old fart like me for example is likely to have far less effect than for a 18 year old

DaveH23

3,355 posts

199 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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I had an SP30 many years ago, didn't change my premium.

Lindun

1,965 posts

91 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Utterly wrong. The ABI ruled on this years ago. In the UK, an insurer cannot insist in being told about convictions mid term, unless they come with a ban and you're meant to be the main driver, and if they are told, out of the goodness of your heart, they cannot charge you additional premium (but can charge an admin fee)

So don't listen to Martinbiz and just don't tell them. But make sure you remember to tell them at next renewal.

No need to read your contract.
How can the ABI rule on anything? They are a trade body created to promote and market the insurance industry. They may try to bring some consistency at times and show that stuff doesn’t need to be legislated on but at best it would be a very voluntary code of conduct.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,071 posts

179 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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Lindun said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Utterly wrong. The ABI ruled on this years ago. In the UK, an insurer cannot insist in being told about convictions mid term, unless they come with a ban and you're meant to be the main driver, and if they are told, out of the goodness of your heart, they cannot charge you additional premium (but can charge an admin fee)

So don't listen to Martinbiz and just don't tell them. But make sure you remember to tell them at next renewal.

No need to read your contract.
How can the ABI rule on anything? They are a trade body created to promote and market the insurance industry. They may try to bring some consistency at times and show that stuff doesn’t need to be legislated on but at best it would be a very voluntary code of conduct.
All UK insurers sign up and agree to abide by their code of conduct. There isn't a single UK insurer that will penalise you for not advising of a conviction mid term. None.