Quick relay theft question
Discussion
A proper relay theft could easily be accomplished over this distance. Device outside your door to read/transmit from the key and another device next to the vehicle to read/respond to the key. Technically with the right equipment distance isn’t an issue with a relay attack, I’ve seen proof of concept for an attack over 4G from several miles away.
That being said, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it I’m sure you’re perfectly safe. Much easier to go for the car on a driveway with a front door not too far away.
That being said, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it I’m sure you’re perfectly safe. Much easier to go for the car on a driveway with a front door not too far away.
I admit to using a tin like this for keys. With no text on. Bad move, spare keys lost sometime during a weekend when the house had many guests for a Christening.
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"But we've only the five tins like that....where can they have gone, I've looked in the empty tins".
Turns out a husband / wife confusion lead to decafe coffee grounds (yuc) being put in a similar tin. Well so similar, it was the same tin. A year after paying out for new spare car keys (both cars) the original keys turned up one Christmas. Both key batteries flat as pancakes. Both cars sold by this point. Doh.
Now we keep each others spare keys in impenetrable places. Mine in my wifes knicker drawer. She keeps mine in her purse and no man has even successfully had access to that chasm of dark foreboding secrets.
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"But we've only the five tins like that....where can they have gone, I've looked in the empty tins".
Turns out a husband / wife confusion lead to decafe coffee grounds (yuc) being put in a similar tin. Well so similar, it was the same tin. A year after paying out for new spare car keys (both cars) the original keys turned up one Christmas. Both key batteries flat as pancakes. Both cars sold by this point. Doh.
Now we keep each others spare keys in impenetrable places. Mine in my wifes knicker drawer. She keeps mine in her purse and no man has even successfully had access to that chasm of dark foreboding secrets.
StanleyT said:
I admit to using a tin like this for keys. With no text on. Bad move, spare keys lost sometime during a weekend when the house had many guests for a Christening.
.
"But we've only the five tins like that....where can they have gone, I've looked in the empty tins".
Turns out a husband / wife confusion lead to decafe coffee grounds (yuc) being put in a similar tin. Well so similar, it was the same tin. A year after paying out for new spare car keys (both cars) the original keys turned up one Christmas. Both key batteries flat as pancakes. Both cars sold by this point. Doh.
Now we keep each others spare keys in impenetrable places. Mine in my wifes knicker drawer. She keeps mine in her purse and no man has even successfully had access to that chasm of dark foreboding secrets.
If purse is a euphemism you could get an annulment..
"But we've only the five tins like that....where can they have gone, I've looked in the empty tins".
Turns out a husband / wife confusion lead to decafe coffee grounds (yuc) being put in a similar tin. Well so similar, it was the same tin. A year after paying out for new spare car keys (both cars) the original keys turned up one Christmas. Both key batteries flat as pancakes. Both cars sold by this point. Doh.
Now we keep each others spare keys in impenetrable places. Mine in my wifes knicker drawer. She keeps mine in her purse and no man has even successfully had access to that chasm of dark foreboding secrets.
okenemem said:
Wow
Yes. All you need is a copy of the signal, that’s the whole point of the relay. Unless there are very specific latency detection algorithms in it (probably not), I’d imagine you can jack a car over any distance you want. But the distance is between the relay and the car - the relay needs to get the signal - that’s distance limited without a big dish. 7 floor flat is probably achievable, depending on the construction of the block.PAULJ5555 said:
A hacksaw would remove that in seconds.I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
My M3 had keyless entry. The key was in the kitchen in sight of the car, about 30 feet away.
They smashed the kitchen door in and grabbed the keys anyway...
Would rather they'd relayed it, saving the enormous hassle that was replacing the kitchen door and, more importantly, fixing my wife and kids' shattered nerves.
Having had two new cars with it, and no thefts attributable to it, the convenience of keyless massively outweighs the risk of theft, in my opinion. If they really want the car, they can just rob you of the keys as you get in or out.
My M3 had keyless entry. The key was in the kitchen in sight of the car, about 30 feet away.
They smashed the kitchen door in and grabbed the keys anyway...
Would rather they'd relayed it, saving the enormous hassle that was replacing the kitchen door and, more importantly, fixing my wife and kids' shattered nerves.
Having had two new cars with it, and no thefts attributable to it, the convenience of keyless massively outweighs the risk of theft, in my opinion. If they really want the car, they can just rob you of the keys as you get in or out.
janesmith1950 said:
I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
My M3 had keyless entry. The key was in the kitchen in sight of the car, about 30 feet away.
They smashed the kitchen door in and grabbed the keys anyway...
Would rather they'd relayed it, saving the enormous hassle that was replacing the kitchen door and, more importantly, fixing my wife and kids' shattered nerves.
Having had two new cars with it, and no thefts attributable to it, the convenience of keyless massively outweighs the risk of theft, in my opinion. If they really want the car, they can just rob you of the keys as you get in or out.
This.My M3 had keyless entry. The key was in the kitchen in sight of the car, about 30 feet away.
They smashed the kitchen door in and grabbed the keys anyway...
Would rather they'd relayed it, saving the enormous hassle that was replacing the kitchen door and, more importantly, fixing my wife and kids' shattered nerves.
Having had two new cars with it, and no thefts attributable to it, the convenience of keyless massively outweighs the risk of theft, in my opinion. If they really want the car, they can just rob you of the keys as you get in or out.
I used to keep the car keys in my office (at home) in a not so obvious place. Then I realised that if anybody was coming for the car they would get it one way or another. The safety of SWMBO and our two children, even the dog, means the keys are now back downstairs in an obvious place. Not visible from outside but if anyone did happen to break in, they’d have no trouble finding them.
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