Erection of bollards in private car park
Discussion
A friend of my OH is disabled and attends a class at a local community centre, she used to park in the car park next to the centre shown below
The owner of the car park has decided to erect bollards in the car park preventing people using the community centre from parking there. This was raised at a recent community council meeting and this was their response (Ronnie and Linda are a husband and wife who run the community council):
"A representative from the art club who use the community centre complained that the car park adjacent to the centre had
barriers up at some of the bays and that they needed parking for their members. Ronnie explained that this car park is privately
owned and that as a courtesy and in exchange for having the wall rebuilt, the owner had let residents and community centre
visitors use this car park free of charge for some years now. Some have been abusing this privilege; dumping vehicles etc. and
also Fife Council have been using it as a compound for their social work cars without permission. The car park owner now
frustrated and unable to tolerate such behaviour has every right to put barriers up on his own property.
Ronnie suggested that Community Centre patrons could use the school car park in Chisolm Street about 100 yards from the
centre, however the representative felt this was too far for their disabled members to walk.
Linda suggested they get the bus which stops outside the centre.
Ronnie then suggested car sharing or if they felt Townhill did not meet their specific needs perhaps a more suitable venue better
situated for more convenient parking should be found.
The art club member said she hoped that Townhill residents would be happy with them parking throughout the village streets.
Ronnie responded that if they blocked people’s driveways they would be committing an offence and would be reported to the
police. He suggested that if any disabled members could not use the other car park, that the art club could write to Transport at
FC to discuss the possibility of having a couple of disabled car parking bays installed at the rear of the centre."
I know the area and I always assumed the car park was for the community centre as there's nothing else really there apart from a small cafe and corner shop which has parking outside the front of it. I did find this bit quite interesting "this car park is privately owned and that as a courtesy and in exchange for having the wall rebuilt, the owner had let residents and community centre
visitors use this car park free of charge for some years now".
I'm assuming that the tax payer paid for a private wall to be rebuilt some time ago in exchange for using the car park but now the owner has changed their mind?
As Ronnie said I take it that as it's a private car park the owner can do what they want or as its been used for good number of years now do people have a right to park there??? I've no skin in the game as they say, I was just interested in it from a legal point of view, what do you guys think?
The owner of the car park has decided to erect bollards in the car park preventing people using the community centre from parking there. This was raised at a recent community council meeting and this was their response (Ronnie and Linda are a husband and wife who run the community council):
"A representative from the art club who use the community centre complained that the car park adjacent to the centre had
barriers up at some of the bays and that they needed parking for their members. Ronnie explained that this car park is privately
owned and that as a courtesy and in exchange for having the wall rebuilt, the owner had let residents and community centre
visitors use this car park free of charge for some years now. Some have been abusing this privilege; dumping vehicles etc. and
also Fife Council have been using it as a compound for their social work cars without permission. The car park owner now
frustrated and unable to tolerate such behaviour has every right to put barriers up on his own property.
Ronnie suggested that Community Centre patrons could use the school car park in Chisolm Street about 100 yards from the
centre, however the representative felt this was too far for their disabled members to walk.
Linda suggested they get the bus which stops outside the centre.
Ronnie then suggested car sharing or if they felt Townhill did not meet their specific needs perhaps a more suitable venue better
situated for more convenient parking should be found.
The art club member said she hoped that Townhill residents would be happy with them parking throughout the village streets.
Ronnie responded that if they blocked people’s driveways they would be committing an offence and would be reported to the
police. He suggested that if any disabled members could not use the other car park, that the art club could write to Transport at
FC to discuss the possibility of having a couple of disabled car parking bays installed at the rear of the centre."
I know the area and I always assumed the car park was for the community centre as there's nothing else really there apart from a small cafe and corner shop which has parking outside the front of it. I did find this bit quite interesting "this car park is privately owned and that as a courtesy and in exchange for having the wall rebuilt, the owner had let residents and community centre
visitors use this car park free of charge for some years now".
I'm assuming that the tax payer paid for a private wall to be rebuilt some time ago in exchange for using the car park but now the owner has changed their mind?
As Ronnie said I take it that as it's a private car park the owner can do what they want or as its been used for good number of years now do people have a right to park there??? I've no skin in the game as they say, I was just interested in it from a legal point of view, what do you guys think?
I'm on Ronnie's (edit: sorry, car park owner's) side. People will always take the mick with parking, and the longer they find there's no repercussions, the more they do it.
And I'm really not keen on the passive/aggressive/emotional blackmail tone taken by the group that wishes to use it.
They have no real case assuming there is nothing in writing regards the wall repairs vs free parking in the first case (and it sounds like the car park owner has honoured that at least as far as he feels is reasonable... it doesn't seem like that is seriously being challenged anyway).
If that venue no longer suits their requirements, they need to find somewhere suitable, or make alternative/extra access arrangements with the hall owners.
And I'm really not keen on the passive/aggressive/emotional blackmail tone taken by the group that wishes to use it.
They have no real case assuming there is nothing in writing regards the wall repairs vs free parking in the first case (and it sounds like the car park owner has honoured that at least as far as he feels is reasonable... it doesn't seem like that is seriously being challenged anyway).
If that venue no longer suits their requirements, they need to find somewhere suitable, or make alternative/extra access arrangements with the hall owners.
Edited by defblade on Thursday 12th September 08:17
Lenovo said:
I'm assuming that the tax payer paid for a private wall to be rebuilt some time ago in exchange for using the car park but now the owner has changed their mind?
As Ronnie said I take it that as it's a private car park the owner can do what they want or as its been used for good number of years now do people have a right to park there??? I've no skin in the game as they say, I was just interested in it from a legal point of view, what do you guys think?
Why are you assuming that? Any number of alternative scenarios may be the actual case.As Ronnie said I take it that as it's a private car park the owner can do what they want or as its been used for good number of years now do people have a right to park there??? I've no skin in the game as they say, I was just interested in it from a legal point of view, what do you guys think?
Why would using the car park for a number of years assign any rights over it?
defblade said:
I'm on Ronnie's side. People will always take the mick with parking, and the longer they find there's no repercussions, the more they do it.
And I'm really not keen on the passive/aggressive/emotional blackmail tone taken by the group that wishes to use it.
They have no real case assuming there is nothing in writing regards the wall repairs vs free parking in the first case (and it sounds like Ronnie has honoured that at least as far as he feels is reasonable... it doesn't seem like that is seriously being challenged anyway).
If that venue no longer suits their requirements, they need to find somewhere suitable, or make alternative/extra access arrangements with the hall owners.
Pretty much my take on it.And I'm really not keen on the passive/aggressive/emotional blackmail tone taken by the group that wishes to use it.
They have no real case assuming there is nothing in writing regards the wall repairs vs free parking in the first case (and it sounds like Ronnie has honoured that at least as far as he feels is reasonable... it doesn't seem like that is seriously being challenged anyway).
If that venue no longer suits their requirements, they need to find somewhere suitable, or make alternative/extra access arrangements with the hall owners.
Only thing they might be able to negotiate is disabled only use, at certain times, specifically for this group?
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Pistonheads, where cars don't matter any more. 
defblade said:
I'm on Ronnie's (edit: sorry, car park owner's) side. People will always take the mick with parking, and the longer they find there's no repercussions, the more they do it.
got exactly the same thing in my village, owner of a private car park has allowed people to use it for the pub / village hall but assholes started using it as long term parking rather than parking slightly down from their house, after years of trying to get them to stop he had enough and closed it a lot of people are selfish entitled scum bags unfortunately
Dave Hedgehog said:
got exactly the same thing in my village, owner of a private car park has allowed people to use it for the pub / village hall but assholes started using it as long term parking rather than parking slightly down from their house, after years of trying to get them to stop he had enough and closed it
a lot of people are selfish entitled scum bags unfortunately
This is exactly what has happened to me - I have an office with a large car park, surrounded by terraced houses with no off street parking. We agreed that the neighbours could use it over night and at weekends providing it was vacated by 0830 weekday mornings. This was ignored and after a few days over half the car park was in use when the staff were trying to get into work. There is now a barrier on that car park and none of the neighbours can use it. a lot of people are selfish entitled scum bags unfortunately
I've also got a current problem with another car park/garaging area I have a bit further down the same road. To access it you have to drive through a pub car park - the right of way being kept clear by the pub owner apart from one neightbour who has no right to park on the car park but now blocks my entrance and exit.
This guy is a fruit loop and there has been police involvement leading to him and and another neighbour ending up in court.
He absolutely refuses to stop and I am struggling for ideas that will work.
So in summary - now you can't clamp people who abuse private parking it's a bit of a nightmare.
InitialDave said:
I believe you're still allowed to move the car if it's an obstruction?
It's a large van - and yes that might be true but it will definitely result in a physical altercation AND whilst it will solve my problem it will just move it to blocking the rest of the car park. Basically the bloke is just telling everyone to FRO, the police won't get involved and if we get an injunction and he doesn't comply there doesn't seem much we can realistically do.
Greendubber said:
Sounds like the carpark owner has had a tit full to me.
A usual it's minority of that ruin things for everyone.
My take on it too. A usual it's minority of that ruin things for everyone.
My daughters old primary school is next to a pub, the landlady was happy for the school mums to park in the pub car park to drop and collect their kids, there was even a gate installed in the wall seperating the pub car park and school, so the kids didn't have to walk round onto the narrow path, it is in a village which is used as a rat run in the mornings and evenings so the road gets busy.
This agreement was in place for decades, way before my children attended and was still in place when they left; youngest left 14 years ago, however due to the creeping in of self entitlement and general rudeness over the years the agreement was cancelled a few years ago, not before parents were given ample warnings about being considerate, they just didn't listen, or care.
It went from being a drop off point to also being a meeting/gossip point, parents would frequently park badly, block the car park, in the mornings staff couldn't get in; they didn't start till way gone school opening, in the afternoon patrons couldn't get in and the mums were frequently rude to either staff or customers when asked to be more considerate or to move.
There is always someone/many to ruin it for everyone.
HTP99 said:
My take on it too.
My daughters old primary school is next to a pub, the landlady was happy for the school mums to park in the pub car park to drop and collect their kids, there was even a gate installed in the wall seperating the pub car park and school, so the kids didn't have to walk round onto the narrow path, it is in a village which is used as a rat run in the mornings and evenings so the road gets busy.
This agreement was in place for decades, way before my children attended and was still in place when they left; youngest left 14 years ago, however due to the creeping in of self entitlement and general rudeness over the years the agreement was cancelled a few years ago, not before parents were given ample warnings about being considerate, they just didn't listen, or care.
It went from being a drop off point to also being a meeting/gossip point, parents would frequently park badly, block the car park, in the mornings staff couldn't get in; they didn't start till way gone school opening, in the afternoon patrons couldn't get in and the mums were frequently rude to either staff or customers when asked to be more considerate or to move.
There is always someone/many to ruin it for everyone.
School parking is always madness, blocking driveways, parking on corners - but only for a minute mind you as they are considerate people and will be gone in a second. 10 mins later they are still having a chat.My daughters old primary school is next to a pub, the landlady was happy for the school mums to park in the pub car park to drop and collect their kids, there was even a gate installed in the wall seperating the pub car park and school, so the kids didn't have to walk round onto the narrow path, it is in a village which is used as a rat run in the mornings and evenings so the road gets busy.
This agreement was in place for decades, way before my children attended and was still in place when they left; youngest left 14 years ago, however due to the creeping in of self entitlement and general rudeness over the years the agreement was cancelled a few years ago, not before parents were given ample warnings about being considerate, they just didn't listen, or care.
It went from being a drop off point to also being a meeting/gossip point, parents would frequently park badly, block the car park, in the mornings staff couldn't get in; they didn't start till way gone school opening, in the afternoon patrons couldn't get in and the mums were frequently rude to either staff or customers when asked to be more considerate or to move.
There is always someone/many to ruin it for everyone.
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