Traffic lights with no STOP line.
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The second traffic light has no STOP line. If you pass the first one at green, are you legally required to stop at the second one if it turns red? (I assume yes.)
For lights on the opposite side of the junction, then you would pass them even if red, but these are in no-man’s land.
I assume they re-modelled the junction at some time, but I don’t know why they didn’t just move the STOP line forwards.
The second traffic light has no STOP line. If you pass the first one at green, are you legally required to stop at the second one if it turns red? (I assume yes.)
For lights on the opposite side of the junction, then you would pass them even if red, but these are in no-man’s land.
I assume they re-modelled the junction at some time, but I don’t know why they didn’t just move the STOP line forwards.
https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/light-signals-cont...
The significance of the red light on the near-side Primary signal is that you must stop in front of the solid white line (normally 1m in front of the signal pole).The Secondary signal does not normally have an associated solid white line. So it follows that you may proceed through the junction.
It is custom to place the Secondary signal to the off-side to emphasise the difference.
The significance of the red light on the near-side Primary signal is that you must stop in front of the solid white line (normally 1m in front of the signal pole).The Secondary signal does not normally have an associated solid white line. So it follows that you may proceed through the junction.
It is custom to place the Secondary signal to the off-side to emphasise the difference.
eybic said:
speedking31 said:
They are repeaters, but when traffic queues they can change to red when you passed the first set at green.
In black and white you have passed the stop line so should be able to keep going (in practice this is very difficult I guess?)Wind the clock back and it's been like that since at least 2009.
That's a very long set-back from the junction to the staggered stop lines. I wonder of there was a pedestrian crossing there way back in the junction's history, it's been removed but the ghost lives on as the pre-existing roadmarkings get repeated with every resurface.
That's a very long set-back from the junction to the staggered stop lines. I wonder of there was a pedestrian crossing there way back in the junction's history, it's been removed but the ghost lives on as the pre-existing roadmarkings get repeated with every resurface.
This junction is on my commute. It's been a simple give way/merge for years, but for some reason it's now traffic controlled. The tailbacks stretch back for 20-30 cars now as everybody coming from the right wants to go straight, and everybody from the camera angle wants to take the nearby left turn. Nonetheless, it's quite possible to get caught up in the lights and find yourself between the two sets of lights, past the white line.
Am I right in assuming that in this case, once you're past the white line, you are then on the merged road and abide by the "proceed if safe to do so" procedure? Or, are you required to stop at an arbitrary white line by the repeater lights? What if you're in the right lane and there's an artic blocking the lights to your left?
I reckon I can trump all these.
The stop line lights are synced with the ones by the red car in the picture. It's nearly a country mile between the two, the second set has no stop line, but the third set you can see in the distance by the white van, does. The amount of people that clear the first set and stop at the second set is unreal, instead of continuing to set number 3, which sometimes sync and sometimes dont, with sets 1 and 2.
Worst thing is, cars from the left number about 10 per day, so all it needed was a give way and zero traffic lights.
Comical.
The stop line lights are synced with the ones by the red car in the picture. It's nearly a country mile between the two, the second set has no stop line, but the third set you can see in the distance by the white van, does. The amount of people that clear the first set and stop at the second set is unreal, instead of continuing to set number 3, which sometimes sync and sometimes dont, with sets 1 and 2.
Worst thing is, cars from the left number about 10 per day, so all it needed was a give way and zero traffic lights.
Comical.
Sorry if I'm due a parrot but @un1corn, your scenario is quite normal to have repeaters on the opposite side of the junction. You 'obviously' don't stop at those if you've passed the STOP line on your side of the junction.
My OP was about repeater lights on the approach side of the junction.
@CaptainMorgan, you didn't say whether you would stop at the second red or not.
My OP was about repeater lights on the approach side of the junction.
@CaptainMorgan, you didn't say whether you would stop at the second red or not.
I also have this with a set local to me, for the right turn.
Link herre: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4279693,-0.03201...
There is no stop line, but there is a single traffic light directing flow. Without a stop line I tend to go when safe to do so (regardless of the light) - thinking the red light visible in the link is advisory to tell you oncoming traffic has stopped. Only issue is some don't and the light phasing isn't the quickest = very occasionally you'll pass a car that is sat in the (broken line bound) turn box waiting for the light and make the right turn if safe to do so.
Thoughts?
Link herre: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4279693,-0.03201...
There is no stop line, but there is a single traffic light directing flow. Without a stop line I tend to go when safe to do so (regardless of the light) - thinking the red light visible in the link is advisory to tell you oncoming traffic has stopped. Only issue is some don't and the light phasing isn't the quickest = very occasionally you'll pass a car that is sat in the (broken line bound) turn box waiting for the light and make the right turn if safe to do so.
Thoughts?
kiethton said:
I also have this with a set local to me, for the right turn.
Link herre: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4279693,-0.03201...
There is no stop line, but there is a single traffic light directing flow. Without a stop line I tend to go when safe to do so (regardless of the light) - thinking the red light visible in the link is advisory to tell you oncoming traffic has stopped. Only issue is some don't and the light phasing isn't the quickest = very occasionally you'll pass a car that is sat in the (broken line bound) turn box waiting for the light and make the right turn if safe to do so.
Thoughts?
My thoughts are that the lights are there to interrupt the main flow to afford the opportunity for those entering from the side road to join the flow. Once you pass the stop line (the white thing just in front of the Keep-Left arrow) you are in “give way” conditions.Link herre: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4279693,-0.03201...
There is no stop line, but there is a single traffic light directing flow. Without a stop line I tend to go when safe to do so (regardless of the light) - thinking the red light visible in the link is advisory to tell you oncoming traffic has stopped. Only issue is some don't and the light phasing isn't the quickest = very occasionally you'll pass a car that is sat in the (broken line bound) turn box waiting for the light and make the right turn if safe to do so.
Thoughts?
This really is not complicated to a competent driver who occasionally scans the Highway Code to remind himself of the rules of the road.
rdjohn said:
My thoughts are that the lights are there to interrupt the main flow to afford the opportunity for those entering from the side road to join the flow. Once you pass the stop line (the white thing just in front of the Keep-Left arrow) you are in “give way” conditions.
This really is not complicated to a competent driver who occasionally scans the Highway Code to remind himself of the rules of the road.
They are yes, I get that they allow the traffic turning from Worsley Bridge onto the main road to enter, however my query related to traffic doing the reverse - turning right from the view of the google car (into Worsley Bridge Road) in the above link. This really is not complicated to a competent driver who occasionally scans the Highway Code to remind himself of the rules of the road.
Here there is a red light (Green for oncoming traffic/straight ahead) but a dashed line turning box and no stop line....
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