Honest answers please - whose fault is this accident?
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My son had an accident last year, got knocked off his bike on a roundabout. Insurance co passed it to claims management co, they folded and blamed my boy based on in-car footage. I'm not convinced that was the correct decision, but I'd appreciate second /third/fourth opinions....
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Speed Limit is 40MPH.
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T5R+ said:
How was the car driver supposed to know he was heading for L3 after a "possibly slow" emerge?
This, looks like your lad didn't really look before he pulled out and crossed all 3 lanes to boot, we also have no idea if the cam car had vehicles either side of him or behind him, meaning avoidance options may have been slim.mondeoman said:
Speed Limit is 40MPH.
i'd be guessing that the car wasn't doing 40 and was looking to head left A38 south ?( unless he came off A38 from the North? ) and couldn't move left as someone matched him in the correct lane...... and yes i do the same when it's busy 
probably avoidable and i'm surprised there aren't more incidents TBH
hope he's OK
Being a motorbike rider, i'd say your lad has partial blame, emerging from a junction where oncoming vehicles have the right of way and attempting to move into lane 3 from lane 1.
The car driver should have anticipated this so there is some blame here however it doesn't negate the motorbike rider failing to do his final checks or as their known (lifesavers) before executing the final lane change.
As a motorbike rider roundabouts are the most dangerous and failed my mod 2 on 1!
Applying the highway code, your told to approach in lane 1 then move into lane 2 or 3 when safe to do this. This clearly wasn't and suggests a lack of observation played a contributory factor.
The car driver should have anticipated this so there is some blame here however it doesn't negate the motorbike rider failing to do his final checks or as their known (lifesavers) before executing the final lane change.
As a motorbike rider roundabouts are the most dangerous and failed my mod 2 on 1!
Applying the highway code, your told to approach in lane 1 then move into lane 2 or 3 when safe to do this. This clearly wasn't and suggests a lack of observation played a contributory factor.
3 seconds according to the timestamps. On the face of it that's plenty of time to see and avoid the situation, and if it wasn't enough time, it means the car was driving too fast for the conditions.
Car drivers fault. DCW territory, imperfect riding but situation made a thousand times worse by the car
Car drivers fault. DCW territory, imperfect riding but situation made a thousand times worse by the car
Edited by shouldbworking on Friday 22 November 21:33
shouldbworking said:
3 seconds according to the timestamps. On the face of it that's plenty of time to see and avoid the situation, and if it wasn't enough time, it means he was driving too fast for the conditions.
His fault
But the bike rider should have realised that the car was going too fast (if he was) so shouldnt have pulled out in front of him.His fault
As a biker I would say that’s the biker’s fault.
He emerges from a give-way line straight into the path of another vehicle. He doesn’t have right of way. He should have carried out an over-the-shoulder look that we bikers call a lifesaver before moving from one lane, across another and into a third.
I can’t see the car driver being at all to blame.
He emerges from a give-way line straight into the path of another vehicle. He doesn’t have right of way. He should have carried out an over-the-shoulder look that we bikers call a lifesaver before moving from one lane, across another and into a third.
I can’t see the car driver being at all to blame.
I think the driver could have easily slowed down but has chosen to go round your son, if he had stayed in lane 2 your lad might have been across and out of his way. The drivers just been a complete arse, the timestamp shows 2 seconds from the bike entering lane 2 to the collision, plenty of time to back off a little or even brake. Did your son miss a gear perhaps? the red and silver cars in the picture are well up the road while your lad is not. or again perhaps if he had joined lane 1 and filtered over after accelerating he may have been safer.
Horrible to see must have been quite a shock for you all.
Horrible to see must have been quite a shock for you all.
It was 2.5 to 3 seconds. Your lad pulled out. It's your fault for letting him have a motorbike but not realising they need years of experience first.
It must be really tough to post images of your lad being knocked off his bike, I truly feel for you.
It's the inexperience of youth. Hope he is oK
It must be really tough to post images of your lad being knocked off his bike, I truly feel for you.
It's the inexperience of youth. Hope he is oK
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