Metal posts in pavement
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Not sure if this is Speed Plod or Homes / DIY.
Opposite my Mums (South side of road), on a single track road with a narrow 2ft pavement before the gardens for the houses on the road (North) the neighbour has now, in addition to their
a) self appointed dog fining signs for dogs poohing and peeing
b) and their own yellow no parking lines (i.e. a yellow line across their drive with a Tee-bar at each end).
now added a set of bollards to "stop people parking on the pavement" into the pavement.
Ignore the irony it was my Mum that complained as when people parked straight opposite her single track embanked drive she couldn't get out (I've told her reverse in then she can drive out forwards) - now she can only get out to turn right-ward if she reverses without hitting the bollards.
Are you allowed to install bollards willy nilly? The deeds to the road are a bit strange. The road existed in 1800, was adopted in 1950s, but it does appear that houses had the strip that was "pavement" in their deeds, seem to have it separate from the property, but do own it. Indeed where the pavement was years ago on Mums side - it is now a hedge (Mum, that would be useful for a splay line)! Yet last year the Council re-surfaced the road and rebuilt the pavement that had almost collapsed into a kerbstone and macadam mess of inequity (where it wasn't subsumed into gardens).
Who do you check with if this is right, whilst I can get my powerful PH Director sports car long estate SUV in and out of Mums drive I can see why at first glance one may struggle.
Though part of me wants these to stay. I don't know what the opposite neighbour ever did to antagonise the rest of teh N/H but their cherry trees on their lawn are the ones that get dog poo bags slung into, so on point a) they had a point, though I'm fairly sure they can't purse (sic) a "£200 fine per owner identified". The three bollards now seem to be the tying off points for pooh bags and I watched a big dog last night (Wolfhound?) have an absolutely massive steamy piss against one bollard, that went on so long I though the poor dog was going to turn inside out! Reap what you sew and all that.
Opposite my Mums (South side of road), on a single track road with a narrow 2ft pavement before the gardens for the houses on the road (North) the neighbour has now, in addition to their
a) self appointed dog fining signs for dogs poohing and peeing
b) and their own yellow no parking lines (i.e. a yellow line across their drive with a Tee-bar at each end).
now added a set of bollards to "stop people parking on the pavement" into the pavement.
Ignore the irony it was my Mum that complained as when people parked straight opposite her single track embanked drive she couldn't get out (I've told her reverse in then she can drive out forwards) - now she can only get out to turn right-ward if she reverses without hitting the bollards.
Are you allowed to install bollards willy nilly? The deeds to the road are a bit strange. The road existed in 1800, was adopted in 1950s, but it does appear that houses had the strip that was "pavement" in their deeds, seem to have it separate from the property, but do own it. Indeed where the pavement was years ago on Mums side - it is now a hedge (Mum, that would be useful for a splay line)! Yet last year the Council re-surfaced the road and rebuilt the pavement that had almost collapsed into a kerbstone and macadam mess of inequity (where it wasn't subsumed into gardens).
Who do you check with if this is right, whilst I can get my powerful PH Director sports car long estate SUV in and out of Mums drive I can see why at first glance one may struggle.
Though part of me wants these to stay. I don't know what the opposite neighbour ever did to antagonise the rest of teh N/H but their cherry trees on their lawn are the ones that get dog poo bags slung into, so on point a) they had a point, though I'm fairly sure they can't purse (sic) a "£200 fine per owner identified". The three bollards now seem to be the tying off points for pooh bags and I watched a big dog last night (Wolfhound?) have an absolutely massive steamy piss against one bollard, that went on so long I though the poor dog was going to turn inside out! Reap what you sew and all that.
Will do, is that meant in jest re the Mannerings or not?
I suspect my Mum could be just as bad (she used to ask the family next door not to BBQ at weekends as that what when she dried her washing outside....................a retiree like her could do it anytime, a working family having the Saturday / Sunday teas....)?
Would this be the correct sort of link https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/home/roads-pavements/...
I suspect my Mum could be just as bad (she used to ask the family next door not to BBQ at weekends as that what when she dried her washing outside....................a retiree like her could do it anytime, a working family having the Saturday / Sunday teas....)?
Would this be the correct sort of link https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/home/roads-pavements/...
surveyor said:
Have a chat with your local highways department. In my experience they quite enjoy annoying the captain mannerings...
Definitely this, they probably know this person by name. Might be worth cc in your local Cllr’s. They probably know this person too and are ready for pay back.Yep, do check with Highways as I'm fairly sure they wont resurface something they don't own. Our deeds show us as 'owning' (the red line on the plans) the 1.5m strip at the front which is tarmac, However, the council took possession of it sometime after the deeds were drawn up. They are responsible for this short section mainly because electricity, drainage etc run under this part but the deeds plans were never altered.
If you want to take it further, check the ownership of the footpath, as already mentioned. If it is adopted by the LA and it borders the highway, any works on it must be done by an approved contractor with a street-works permit.
We had a similar example in our village when some well-meaning villagers constructed a small, raised flower-bed at a Y-junction. Within days, the council arrived to dismantle it and apparently threatened to prosecute those who had done it!
We had a similar example in our village when some well-meaning villagers constructed a small, raised flower-bed at a Y-junction. Within days, the council arrived to dismantle it and apparently threatened to prosecute those who had done it!
littleredrooster said:
If you want to take it further, check the ownership of the footpath, as already mentioned. If it is adopted by the LA and it borders the highway, any works on it must be done by an approved contractor with a street-works permit.
We had a similar example in our village when some well-meaning villagers constructed a small, raised flower-bed at a Y-junction. Within days, the council arrived to dismantle it and apparently threatened to prosecute those who had done it!
On a local business park, someone painted their own yellow lines to allow better access. They were out the next day with scrubbing brushes We had a similar example in our village when some well-meaning villagers constructed a small, raised flower-bed at a Y-junction. Within days, the council arrived to dismantle it and apparently threatened to prosecute those who had done it!
If they own the pavement, then they are free to put bollards or whatever they like on it, and to be fair if it was your property and it was being damaged by HGV's, vans, and cars parking / driving across it, or dog owners were letting their mutts crap all over it I think I would be quite miffed too.
Yellow lines on an adopted highway is a different matter though, the local Highways Dept won't like that.
Yellow lines on an adopted highway is a different matter though, the local Highways Dept won't like that.
The Surveyor said:
If they own the pavement, then they are free to put bollards or whatever they like on it, and to be fair if it was your property and it was being damaged by HGV's, vans, and cars parking / driving across it, or dog owners were letting their mutts crap all over it I think I would be quite miffed too.
Yellow lines on an adopted highway is a different matter though, the local Highways Dept won't like that.
I don’t think that your advice is correct. But the circumstances are unusual. The carriageway and footway make up the Highway.Yellow lines on an adopted highway is a different matter though, the local Highways Dept won't like that.
The adopted part of the highway (carriageway) only means that it is maintained at public expense. It is usual for the owners of properties fronting the highway to still own the ground beneath the road surface.
From what the OP describes, the footway part of the highway possibly has to be maintained by the frontagers. It is not acceptable for them to restrict free-passage of the footway. At 2ft, the footway is already insufficient for a pram to pass and putting bollards on it only exacerbates this problems for pedestrians.
It really is an issue for the Highway Authority to resolve. You should write to them in the first instance.
rdjohn said:
The Surveyor said:
If they own the pavement, then they are free to put bollards or whatever they like on it, and to be fair if it was your property and it was being damaged by HGV's, vans, and cars parking / driving across it, or dog owners were letting their mutts crap all over it I think I would be quite miffed too.
Yellow lines on an adopted highway is a different matter though, the local Highways Dept won't like that.
I don’t think that your advice is correct. But the circumstances are unusual. The carriageway and footway make up the Highway.Yellow lines on an adopted highway is a different matter though, the local Highways Dept won't like that.
The adopted part of the highway (carriageway) only means that it is maintained at public expense. It is usual for the owners of properties fronting the highway to still own the ground beneath the road surface.
From what the OP describes, the footway part of the highway possibly has to be maintained by the frontagers. It is not acceptable for them to restrict free-passage of the footway. At 2ft, the footway is already insufficient for a pram to pass and putting bollards on it only exacerbates this problems for pedestrians.
It really is an issue for the Highway Authority to resolve. You should write to them in the first instance.
The Surveyor said:
I was reading this situation in the context that the OP had confirmed his Mum has grown a hedge over the pavement on their side of the road, it doesn't sound like a 'normal' situation.
I read the OP as “kettle calling pan”, and to be very careful what you wish for.The guy opposite is clearly obstructing his mum’s free access, but then so is the hedge to other users.
A written letter to the Highway Authority copied to a Ward Councillor - if it is also the HA is the best way to resolve any genuine concerns. The situation described where the Council clearly maintains both the carriageway and kerbs to the footway is quite special and without documentation, beyond reasonable advice via PH.
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