ANPR

[oceanview]

I have recently read about the large number of untaxed vehicles driving on UK roads.
Why don't the roadside ANPR cameras -that are on most main roads in and out of larger towns and cities- clock these vehicles and so send out NIP notices?
Same for no MOT and insurance, much like the ANPR would "ping" a hit in patrol cars.

I would think most that provide a hit, are correctly registered ( not all pool/bad boy cars!), so its a bit odd that the Police only seem to have them set for when they're wanted/dealer cars etc.

I wonder why they aren't utilized for no tax/mot/insurance?

[okenemem]

one reason could be that , just because a car says its not insured or taxed doesnt mean ts true. the system may not have updated. so sending out nip would be pointless

[vonhosen]

They aren't offences that require a NIP.

[Matt_E_Mulsion]

My understanding is that a police car fitted with ANPR and linked to the DVLA, DSA & Insurance Databases is pinging with an alerts most of the day. Hence they could stop car after car, all day everyday, and pick up various offences from expired tax/not to uninsured/unlicenced drivers. Obviously a proportion of alerts will turn out to be fully legitimate and a waste of time as such.

How much police resource should they dedicate to this given the much more serious crimes that they struggle to deal with?

[Terminator X]

I've seen the rozzers set up ANPR "traps" where they have a camera and a car set up and just stop cars that get flagged on the way past.

TX.

[martinbiz]

I would like to think they wouldn’t spend their valuable time stopping every car that pinged an alert, especially for VED, thats the DVLA’s problem, not theirs, not a criminal offence. By all means pull everything that’s shows uninsured, that’s one of the bigger problem on our roads

[Zetec-S]

Sending out a NIP only works if the vehicle is registered at the correct address.

[vonhosen]

They won't send a NIP for those offences, it's not required.

[martinbiz]

vonhosen said:

They won't send a NIP for those offences, it's not required.

Beat me to it. ANPR would only work in those circumstances if a stop is made

[vonhosen]

People are mixing up NIPs, Sec 172 notices, PCNs etc.

[Starfighter]

I interpreted the question as being why can’t ANPR locations be linked automatically ping out tickets to the RK for no tax, no MOT, no insurance.

May need some form of tolerance to allow for updates to go through etc.

[Cold]

Why not just get everyone to turn themselves in at their nearest police station? We've all done "something" wrong at some point.

[anonymous-user]

Matt_E_Mulsion said:

How much police resource should they dedicate to this given the much more serious crimes that they struggle to deal with?

Strange - they seem to have more than enough resource to catch people driving a few mph over the speed limit?

[martinbiz]

Andy20vt said:

Strange - they seem to have more than enough resource to catch people driving a few mph over the speed limit?

Very few stops for speeding, these days chances of getting pulled are a fraction of what it was compared to 20 years ago

[John Locke]

martinbiz said:

Very few stops for speeding, these days chances of getting pulled are a fraction of what it was compared to 20 years ago

The chances of being prosecuted however, are much higher; cops would generally offer advice provided no other offence was involved, whereas cameras merely generate an invoice.

[akirk]

why do you need anpr?
dvla have all the relevant info, if car is not sorn or scrapped, and not taxed, fine the owner...
isn’t that what happens? no police involvement needed...

[sgtBerbatov]

I bought a new car a few years ago, and for 6 months I had the wrong registration on it. It only came to light when I took it to a different dealer to get it serviced.

I'd been through many petrol stations, in front of police cars, APNR's etc and not once did I get pulled over for effectively not being taxed or insured. Because of that I've always doubted the effectiveness of APNR.

[Pica-Pica]

akirk said:

why do you need anpr?
dvla have all the relevant info, if car is not sorn or scrapped, and not taxed, fine the owner...
isn’t that what happens? no police involvement needed...

Why even have tax? As long as it is insured, any tax can be on fuel (of any flavour).

[Greendubber]

sgtBerbatov said:

I bought a new car a few years ago, and for 6 months I had the wrong registration on it. It only came to light when I took it to a different dealer to get it serviced.

I'd been through many petrol stations, in front of police cars, APNR's etc and not once did I get pulled over for effectively not being taxed or insured. Because of that I've always doubted the effectiveness of APNR.

Petrol station ANPR is only really for their databases (previous drive offs etc) and only a small majority of police vehicles on the road have ANPR (where I work anyway) so its not out of the ordinary to have slipped under the radar. We have it on main arterial routes in a few places, being stopped is dependant on who's around to try and find you once you've driven through the camera though.

[anonymous-user]

martinbiz said:

Very few stops for speeding, these days chances of getting pulled are a fraction of what it was compared to 20 years ago

By a police car yes, you rarely see one, but there is a proliferation of police speed vans round this way so it's clear that funds are available to monitor otherwise law abiding citizens.

The crazy thing is that I occasionally commute into Brighton to check up on our southern office and on that commute I pass countless people on the phone, texting, scrolling etc. I reacon that an unmarked ANPR car looking for phone use would have an absolute field day. They could issue a ticket every couple of minutes if they wanted to with video evidence and ANPR to validate the vehicles details, insurance etc.

Yet the police don't bother. Instead they focus on speed as being the only thing that matters when it comes to being a safe driver.