Queuing traffic: Obstruction?
Discussion
A local school near us has a small car park and at dropping off/picking up time it’s rammed.
Consequently the road becomes gridlocked both ways with lazy parents queueing to get into a full car park.
It has a knock on affect for the whole town.
Surely they are causing an obstruction?
If they drove 30 seconds past the car park they pick up little Johnny all of 30 yards from the front door.
I’m assuming Plod wouldn't be interested?
Consequently the road becomes gridlocked both ways with lazy parents queueing to get into a full car park.
It has a knock on affect for the whole town.
Surely they are causing an obstruction?
If they drove 30 seconds past the car park they pick up little Johnny all of 30 yards from the front door.
I’m assuming Plod wouldn't be interested?
Edited by essdaytwelve on Tuesday 10th March 19:04
essdaytwelve said:
Wish that was the case, My son’s school is in a cul de sac with 5 others, but it’s all over in 20 mins.
This school blocks the whole town for over an hour.
Spoke with the Bursar and he said they have tried/pleaded with the parents not to do it to no avail.
Code for "we can't be bothered ".This school blocks the whole town for over an hour.
Spoke with the Bursar and he said they have tried/pleaded with the parents not to do it to no avail.
Needs one member of staff out there not allowing more cars in when it's already full.
Not difficult is it?
Centurion07 said:
Code for "we can't be bothered ".
Needs one member of staff out there not allowing more cars in when it's already full.
Not difficult is it?
A member of staff can restrict access to the car park all they want. But they have no authority to force those parents waiting outside the car park to drive on and get out of the way. Do you really believe that is a solution? You're in cloud cuckoo-land, I'm afraid, if you think that parents/drivers who are so self-absorbed and inconsiderate that they think nothing of clogging up roads and car parks (making home-time far more dangerous for any kids/parents that walk home) will simply stop their selfish behaviour on account of the car park attendant saying they can't come in. There is nothing in this world quite so ignorant, selfish, and hypocritical as a parent in a car at school home-time. They are a VERY special kind of 'speshul'...Needs one member of staff out there not allowing more cars in when it's already full.
Not difficult is it?
I can't ( at moment) find the report on Neighbourhood watch ( or on line) about operations local police ( more rather PCSO) are doing on a random basis to combat selfish parent parking around local schools, but it's reported to have a good rate.
Now, if ,only, we had some traffic bods to pick up on the myopic dash on the school run. Nothing seems more important than getting there in front of all else to stop a little darling being left to wait in front of the school.
Now, if ,only, we had some traffic bods to pick up on the myopic dash on the school run. Nothing seems more important than getting there in front of all else to stop a little darling being left to wait in front of the school.
yellowjack said:
Centurion07 said:
Code for "we can't be bothered ".
Needs one member of staff out there not allowing more cars in when it's already full.
Not difficult is it?
A member of staff can restrict access to the car park all they want. But they have no authority to force those parents waiting outside the car park to drive on and get out of the way. Do you really believe that is a solution? You're in cloud cuckoo-land, I'm afraid, if you think that parents/drivers who are so self-absorbed and inconsiderate that they think nothing of clogging up roads and car parks (making home-time far more dangerous for any kids/parents that walk home) will simply stop their selfish behaviour on account of the car park attendant saying they can't come in. There is nothing in this world quite so ignorant, selfish, and hypocritical as a parent in a car at school home-time. They are a VERY special kind of 'speshul'...Needs one member of staff out there not allowing more cars in when it's already full.
Not difficult is it?
I agree, school-run parents are a special breed, but from the sounds of it, forcing just half those to carry on moving and find somewhere else is going to help.
Centurion07 said:
They're not going to sit there in the middle of the road queuing to get into a car park they've just been told is shut with a plastic barrier and attendant in hi-vis physically blocking it off, are they?
I think they're definitely going to sit there queueing - the high vis person is now going to be the drop off point, it even has a member of staff present to watch over the kids!A1VDY said:
No they won't be interested.
Its a non event really as its only for a short period then the queues are gone. All schools are like it..
This. A woman who lived beside a school near me regularly phoned the local police complaining about parents blocking her car in the drive when dropping off their brats. The inspector advised her to put the kettle on, they would be gone in 10 minutes.Its a non event really as its only for a short period then the queues are gone. All schools are like it..
Some parents are t
ts but you know if you buy a house at a school the street will be busy twice a day. A bit like buying a house beside the tracks and complaining to Network Rail about the train noise. FIRST - Paint double yellow lines on both sides of the road, along the entire length of the road in question
SECOND - Arrange for pedestrians to stand on the pedestrian footpath at intervals less than the length of the cars concerned so cars cannot park on the footpath
THIRD - Make false 999 calls giving the address of the school
watch how quickly the LA take action
It does happen with all schools sadly.
Realistically Police will struggle trying to prevent this form of ‘obstruction’ as moving the parents on will just result in them circling the block. We had dedicated enforcement regarding zigzags however at a local school which has really improved matters... once a few parents were ticketed the others started to get the idea.
Schools seem to hate getting involved though, which is frustrating. Other local schools don’t have enforceable lines and they won’t engage with Highways to actually resolve it. I also found a food delivery truck parked right in front of another local school on the zigzags delivering to one of the kitchen staff. They simply didn’t get it when I pointed out how bad an example this set!
The kicker to all this is that we live in a very small town and it really wouldn’t hurt many of the parents to, er, walk their kids to school...
Realistically Police will struggle trying to prevent this form of ‘obstruction’ as moving the parents on will just result in them circling the block. We had dedicated enforcement regarding zigzags however at a local school which has really improved matters... once a few parents were ticketed the others started to get the idea.
Schools seem to hate getting involved though, which is frustrating. Other local schools don’t have enforceable lines and they won’t engage with Highways to actually resolve it. I also found a food delivery truck parked right in front of another local school on the zigzags delivering to one of the kitchen staff. They simply didn’t get it when I pointed out how bad an example this set!
The kicker to all this is that we live in a very small town and it really wouldn’t hurt many of the parents to, er, walk their kids to school...
You can't stop people being selfish without drastic actions.
However you can fine the fk out of them. Get the council to fit a couple of CCTV cameras outside every school and just ticket anyone on the zig zags, blocking the road, parking on pavement etc. Cameras will pay for themselves before the first fines (and resultant outrage) hits peoples door mats.
A cheaper option would be get a few more of those smart car camera things and park them outside schools doing the same thing.
There will be outrage on mumsnet and mothers groups when they get loads of fines. but eventually maybe they will learn that just because their little st is the most important thing in the world to them, doesnt mean they can break any rules they like or be selfish and an asshole without consequence.
However you can fine the f
k out of them. Get the council to fit a couple of CCTV cameras outside every school and just ticket anyone on the zig zags, blocking the road, parking on pavement etc. Cameras will pay for themselves before the first fines (and resultant outrage) hits peoples door mats. A cheaper option would be get a few more of those smart car camera things and park them outside schools doing the same thing.
There will be outrage on mumsnet and mothers groups when they get loads of fines. but eventually maybe they will learn that just because their little s
t is the most important thing in the world to them, doesnt mean they can break any rules they like or be selfish and an asshole without consequence. 
Aeroscreens said:
School Street Scheme. This looks like a way forward?
I’m trying to use the road, not shut it!if the school really wanted to stop parents queuing to get into do pickup, why cant they just close the car park?
Slightly different scenario but this has come about because the council built a high school on the crossroads of the arterial link between the town centre and the motorway. Be warned you might not like what they can/will do to minimise the impact of school pickup/dropoff on traffic.
https://www.barnsleychronicle.com/article/communit...
tldr; Congestion caused by school traffic so local park is becoming a gyratory
Slightly different scenario but this has come about because the council built a high school on the crossroads of the arterial link between the town centre and the motorway. Be warned you might not like what they can/will do to minimise the impact of school pickup/dropoff on traffic.
https://www.barnsleychronicle.com/article/communit...
tldr; Congestion caused by school traffic so local park is becoming a gyratory
Our local school simply got a petition to get double yellow lines painted in the school vicinity. Declined, but compromise was some double yellows and restrictions to allow local residents only. But Mummy still sits in her Range Rover / Porsche Cayenne on the zig zag lines at the school gate, despite the fact some of them have been booked a few times!
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