Caught speeding on Trade Plates.

[R8FUN]

I sometimes pick up cars for a garage on Trade plates.
I have been told by the boss I was caught speeding on the A1 on the 25th February, he got the NIP yesterday (16th March)
Does the 14 day rule still apply?

[RSTurboPaul]

Might be worth seeing if this has been covered on Pepipoo forum.

[Pothole]

R8FUN said:

I sometimes pick up cars for a garage on Trade plates.
I have been told by the boss I was caught speeding on the A1 on the 25th February, he got the NIP yesterday (16th March)
Does the 14 day rule still apply?

Date of receipt is immaterial. What is the date the ticket was issued?

[No ideas for a name]

R8FUN said:

I sometimes pick up cars for a garage on Trade plates.
I have been told by the boss I was caught speeding on the A1 on the 25th February, he got the NIP yesterday (16th March)
Does the 14 day rule still apply?

Interesting.
A new unregistered car that the DVLA don't yet know about, or a second hand car that is 'in trade' according the DVLA - therefore the RK will be the trader?

The 'boss' in this case... is he the garage owner, or your employer who is contracted by the garage owner (i.e. won't directly receive the NIP)?

[jonwm]

I was wandering about this yesterday.

I was on the M6 14 - 16 and with the virus it was pretty much dead even at 08:20. I was in the 50 section and a car on trade plates came through at circa 70 - 80 and remained at that as he was soon in the distance, car had a trade plate over the normal reg, does a trade plate have details logged like a normal car reg for camera based fines?

[Sheepshanks]

No ideas for a name said:

Interesting.
A new unregistered car that the DVLA don't yet know about, or a second hand car that is 'in trade' according the DVLA - therefore the RK will be the trader?

The 'boss' in this case... is he the garage owner, or your employer who is contracted by the garage owner (i.e. won't directly receive the NIP)?

Did you miss the bit, in the title and the OP, that says "on Trade plates"?

[martinbiz]

I can’t think of a reason why the 14 day rule would not apply to first S172/NIP sent out to the registered holder of the trade plate, this scenario can’t be uncommon, maybe AGT can throw some light on it

[Toaster Pilot]

Sheepshanks said:

No ideas for a name said:

Interesting.
A new unregistered car that the DVLA don't yet know about, or a second hand car that is 'in trade' according the DVLA - therefore the RK will be the trader?

The 'boss' in this case... is he the garage owner, or your employer who is contracted by the garage owner (i.e. won't directly receive the NIP)?

Did you miss the bit, in the title and the OP, that says "on Trade plates"?

What’s your point? Given you need to display both the original VRM and the trade plate now (although many still don’t) it’s perfectly feasible for a NIP to have been issued to the RK or trade custodian rather than the holder of the trade plate in the first instance, no?

[Sheepshanks]

Toaster Pilot said:

What’s your point? Given you need to display both the original VRM and the trade plate now (although many still don’t) it’s perfectly feasible for a NIP to have been issued to the RK or trade custodian rather than the holder of the trade plate in the first instance, no?

Fair enough - but then mentioning trade plates, never mind emphasising them, would be irrelevant.

[Toaster Pilot]

That’s why more clarity over what has actually happened so far is needed - if the NIP wasn’t issued directly to the trade plate holder in the first instance then you’re surely getting into the same timescale issues you end up having with lease/hire vehicles.

[R8FUN]

To Clarify, the car was a 4 year old Golf R picked up from an auction house. Trade plates are required as its not taxed.
The Boss is the garage owner & the NIP was sent to him as the owner of the Trade Plates.

Edited by R8FUN on Tuesday 17th March 13:56

[Toaster Pilot]

R8FUN said:

To Clarify, the car was a 4 year old Golf R picked up from an auction house. Trade plates are required as its not taxed.
The Boss is the garage owner & the NIP was sent to him as the owner of the Trade Plates.

Edited by R8FUN on Tuesday 17th March 13:56

What is the issue date on the NIP?

[No ideas for a name]

R8FUN said:

To Clarify, the car was a 4 year old Golf R picked up from an auction house. Trade plates are required as its not taxed.
The Boss is the garage owner.

You would hope the ticket office would send the NIP to the new garage owner - your boss - by looing up the trade plate. Which I imagine needs to be within the 14 days.

I think the trade plates should cover the original VRM so the NIP couldn't have gone to the previous owner, be that the private individual, or if 'in trade' then the owning garage/trader.

If they wern't covered, there might be more scope for it going wrong.

[Trevor555]

jonwm said:

Does a trade plate have details logged like a normal car reg for camera based fines?

Yes.

Trade plates are registered to the company, or individual, that holds them.

[Toaster Pilot]

No ideas for a name said:

You would hope the ticket office would send the NIP to the new garage owner - your boss - by looing up the trade plate. Which I imagine needs to be within the 14 days.

I think the trade plates should cover the original VRM so the NIP couldn't have gone to the previous owner, be that the private individual, or if 'in trade' then the owning garage/trader.

If they wern't covered, there might be more scope for it going wrong.

Trade plates *should not* cover the original VRM. The guidance notes are very clear (I hold trade plates...)

The notes used to say to cover it, but they changed it a couple of years ago for some unexplained reason.

[No ideas for a name]

Toaster Pilot said:

Trade plates *should not* cover the original VRM. The guidance notes are very clear (I hold trade plates...)

The notes used to say to cover it, but they changed it a couple of years ago for some unexplained reason.

Therefore, I guess that the most likely scenario is;
The ticket office didn't notice the trade plate (maybe in the window) and issued the ticket to the last RK based on the displayed VRM.
They replied immediately saying "it wasn't me gov - I sold the car", then a second look at the picture revealed the trade plate, which is when the OP's NIP was received by his boss.

[spikeyhead]

Toaster Pilot said:

Trade plates *should not* cover the original VRM. The guidance notes are very clear (I hold trade plates...)

The notes used to say to cover it, but they changed it a couple of years ago for some unexplained reason.

The reason has been explained, it's to stop a stolen cars plates being covered

[paintman]

No ideas for a name said:

Therefore, I guess that the most likely scenario is;
The ticket office didn't notice the trade plate (maybe in the window) and issued the ticket to the last RK based on the displayed VRM.
They replied immediately saying "it wasn't me gov - I sold the car", then a second look at the picture revealed the trade plate, which is when the OP's NIP was received by his boss.

^^^Seems the most likely scenario & if that is the case & the original NIP was served on the RK within the 14 days then the service will be deemed good & your out of time hope is dead.

[rallycross]

The trade plates can only be used by the person or company who they are licensed to, he can’t lend you his trade plates to use.

[Glasgowrob]

seek proper legal advice but i would presume that the 14 day still applies as its a valid registration being used for teh transport of the car, albeit one assigned to an individual or business rather than a specific vehicle