Bus lane tickets when not the vehicle owner?
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I have received 2 x £130 penalties, even though the car concerned was sold to the new owner 3 days before the bus lane infringements! It's 10 YEARS since i drove a vehicle in that area anyway.
I have told them this and they have still rejected my appeal.
Having wasted money and time on stamps, envelopes, i now need to pay to call the DVLA, who, of course are not answering their 'phones, only to 'key workers'. (I suppose i could claim i am a locksmith.......)
Anyhow this private firm used by Dagenham and Barking have threatened us with bailiffs now.
What would you do to get these arse wipes off your back?
I have told them this and they have still rejected my appeal.
Having wasted money and time on stamps, envelopes, i now need to pay to call the DVLA, who, of course are not answering their 'phones, only to 'key workers'. (I suppose i could claim i am a locksmith.......)
Anyhow this private firm used by Dagenham and Barking have threatened us with bailiffs now.
What would you do to get these arse wipes off your back?
Grindle said:
I have received 2 x £130 penalties, even though the car concerned was sold to the new owner 3 days before the bus lane infringements! It's 10 YEARS since i drove a vehicle in that area anyway.
I have told them this and they have still rejected my appeal.
Having wasted money and time on stamps, envelopes, i now need to pay to call the DVLA, who, of course are not answering their 'phones, only to 'key workers'. (I suppose i could claim i am a locksmith.......)
Anyhow this private firm used by Dagenham and Barking have threatened us with bailiffs now.
What would you do to get these arse wipes off your back?
did you notify dvla of the sale online at the time and print or get an email confirmation ? if so send that .I have told them this and they have still rejected my appeal.
Having wasted money and time on stamps, envelopes, i now need to pay to call the DVLA, who, of course are not answering their 'phones, only to 'key workers'. (I suppose i could claim i am a locksmith.......)
Anyhow this private firm used by Dagenham and Barking have threatened us with bailiffs now.
What would you do to get these arse wipes off your back?
If not why not and you need to supply the details of who you sold it to ?
its that simple and a legal requirement to do so.
e600 said:
Can you prove with dated evidence that you sold the vehicle prior to the infringements? If so forward copies, explain the current issue with DVLA.
Not really, i posted the V5 off to the DVLA on the same day i sold the car and forgot about it, as i always have done. What dated evidence would i have? I posted it 2nd class letter post, not recorded delivery, i never do pay recorded delivery for V5s.mad4amanda said:
Grindle said:
I have received 2 x £130 penalties, even though the car concerned was sold to the new owner 3 days before the bus lane infringements! It's 10 YEARS since i drove a vehicle in that area anyway.
I have told them this and they have still rejected my appeal.
Having wasted money and time on stamps, envelopes, i now need to pay to call the DVLA, who, of course are not answering their 'phones, only to 'key workers'. (I suppose i could claim i am a locksmith.......)
Anyhow this private firm used by Dagenham and Barking have threatened us with bailiffs now.
What would you do to get these arse wipes off your back?
did you notify dvla of the sale online at the time and print or get an email confirmation ? if so send that .I have told them this and they have still rejected my appeal.
Having wasted money and time on stamps, envelopes, i now need to pay to call the DVLA, who, of course are not answering their 'phones, only to 'key workers'. (I suppose i could claim i am a locksmith.......)
Anyhow this private firm used by Dagenham and Barking have threatened us with bailiffs now.
What would you do to get these arse wipes off your back?
If not why not and you need to supply the details of who you sold it to ?
its that simple and a legal requirement to do so.
You could have done it online and saved the price of a stamp, and the database would have updated immediately.
You have the right to do it by post if you wish but the lag seems to have been the issue. At the time of the offence, DVLA had you as the registered keeper. They'll expect proof you sold it when you did, I presume you put the date of change of keeper on the day it happened? In which case, they should accept an appeal.
You have the right to do it by post if you wish but the lag seems to have been the issue. At the time of the offence, DVLA had you as the registered keeper. They'll expect proof you sold it when you did, I presume you put the date of change of keeper on the day it happened? In which case, they should accept an appeal.
Grindle said:
Not really, i posted the V5 off to the DVLA on the same day i sold the car and forgot about it, as i always have done.
You really shouldn't do that - the "forgot about it" bit.It says on the back to look out for the confirmation and to contact them if not received within 28 days. I've had to contact them a couple of times (in not a huge number of car transactions).
KungFuPanda said:
Did you get a slip sent through from the DVLA to notify you of the transfer having gone through?
This ^^The new owner will also have a V5C that has the date he acquired the vehicle on it - confusingly the DVLA list the date they SENT the document when you run some online checks, something I only found out myself when running the tax check. It said 'last V5C issued March 20th' and I was convinced I bought the car on the 17th.
Lo and behold the V5C now in small print, top right, says ' acquired vehicle on March 17th' (But it was posted to me on the 20th, the date they enter online)
I'd like to think the councils and that know this but for you those 3 days are indeed crucial.
Edited by jondude on Sunday 12th April 18:43
If you can't get hold of the DVLA by phone, this page will confirm when the V5/C information was last updated.
For a bus lane infringement, there is a presumption that the registered keeper is the vehicle's owner.
Not being the owner at the time of the contravention is a statutory ground of appeal.
I believe you have 28 days from the date of service of an NTO to make a representation to the issuing authority stating you were not the owner. If the information is known, you should also tell them who you sold the vehicle to.
You'll need evidence to demonstrate you'd sold the vehicle before the date of the infringement. I don't suppose you issued a receipt to the new keeper and kept a copy ?
Also, what correspondence has been exchanged between yourself and Dagenham & Redbridge which has resulted in this being passed to a debt collection company ? A timeline might also be useful.
For a bus lane infringement, there is a presumption that the registered keeper is the vehicle's owner.
Not being the owner at the time of the contravention is a statutory ground of appeal.
I believe you have 28 days from the date of service of an NTO to make a representation to the issuing authority stating you were not the owner. If the information is known, you should also tell them who you sold the vehicle to.
You'll need evidence to demonstrate you'd sold the vehicle before the date of the infringement. I don't suppose you issued a receipt to the new keeper and kept a copy ?
Also, what correspondence has been exchanged between yourself and Dagenham & Redbridge which has resulted in this being passed to a debt collection company ? A timeline might also be useful.
Sheepshanks said:
Grindle said:
Not really, i posted the V5 off to the DVLA on the same day i sold the car and forgot about it, as i always have done.
You really shouldn't do that - the "forgot about it" bit.It says on the back to look out for the confirmation and to contact them if not received within 28 days. I've had to contact them a couple of times (in not a huge number of car transactions).
I have sent back the letter from the bus lane private firm to tell them (correctly) that i have not been within 100 miles of that bus lane this year and to back off and find out themselves who was driving.
Grindle said:
SS2. said:
If you can't get hold of the DVLA by phone, this page will confirm when the V5/C information was last updated.
Where via that link does it say when the V5 changed hands?OP as has been said above, a proper timeline is needed laying out any correspondence with dates between you and the council and or the debt collectors to get any meaningful advice (they won't be bailiffs unless you have been ignoring a lot of letters)
From what you have said, for now, I would refer the Debt company back to the council saying the charge is in dispute as you were neither the owner or registered keeper at the time
From what you have said, for now, I would refer the Debt company back to the council saying the charge is in dispute as you were neither the owner or registered keeper at the time
Madness that you didn't record the delivery, do it online or get a receipt and the new keeper to sign it with a date.
Unless I've missed those details buried in the thread. If you can't provide evidence I would imagine the onus is on yourself to prove it's not you in the photo. I assume the photo will be from the back?
Unless I've missed those details buried in the thread. If you can't provide evidence I would imagine the onus is on yourself to prove it's not you in the photo. I assume the photo will be from the back?
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