CSA vs C19 vs ending payment.
Discussion
Hope this is the right forum for this (?)
Complex one this.
I have an 18 yr old daughter
I've been alienated against her for 8 years, so no idea what she's doing.
I'm continuing to reach out regularly and maintain my payments.
I believe she has completed her A-levels this year and as far as I can tell by the end of June, they should all be done nationally...
I don't know whether she is attending Uni or getting a job or anything.
CSA is effectively shut at the moment as far as I can tell (?)
My question(s) is... should/could/when do I stop making my contributions?
immediately?
keep paying until the picture becomes clear via the CSA?
invest more money in a solicitor to find out?
I think unless further courses lesser than a degree are started, then I can stop, is that right?
Complex one this.
I have an 18 yr old daughter
I've been alienated against her for 8 years, so no idea what she's doing.
I'm continuing to reach out regularly and maintain my payments.
I believe she has completed her A-levels this year and as far as I can tell by the end of June, they should all be done nationally...
I don't know whether she is attending Uni or getting a job or anything.
CSA is effectively shut at the moment as far as I can tell (?)
My question(s) is... should/could/when do I stop making my contributions?
immediately?
keep paying until the picture becomes clear via the CSA?
invest more money in a solicitor to find out?
I think unless further courses lesser than a degree are started, then I can stop, is that right?
CSA closed down a while ago - I seem to recall letters around the end of 2018. If it was a CSA case, and you have a direct payment arrangement, then I think the CSA rules were the September of the year the child turned 18. If your case got transferred across to the CMS, things may be different.
ok, thanks.
The issue I've faced over the years is that the CSM operate on 'trust' and the 'right to be believed'
So if the resident parent says the child is doing x then that is that
And if the non-resident parent says they earn y then...…. they double check with the HMRC and take what's required.
If you stop paying for whatever reason, it's just taken, or at least threatened.
I'm increasingly nervous that come August, I'll have to pay more legally to force/find out what the situation really is.
The issue I've faced over the years is that the CSM operate on 'trust' and the 'right to be believed'
So if the resident parent says the child is doing x then that is that
And if the non-resident parent says they earn y then...…. they double check with the HMRC and take what's required.
If you stop paying for whatever reason, it's just taken, or at least threatened.
I'm increasingly nervous that come August, I'll have to pay more legally to force/find out what the situation really is.
Quickmoose said:
ok, thanks.
The issue I've faced over the years is that the CSM operate on 'trust' and the 'right to be believed'
So if the resident parent says the child is doing x then that is that
And if the non-resident parent says they earn y then...…. they double check with the HMRC and take what's required.
If you stop paying for whatever reason, it's just taken, or at least threatened.
I'm increasingly nervous that come August, I'll have to pay more legally to force/find out what the situation really is.
I suspect I will be in a similar situation in the next 8 years, I don't trust my children's mother in the slightest.The issue I've faced over the years is that the CSM operate on 'trust' and the 'right to be believed'
So if the resident parent says the child is doing x then that is that
And if the non-resident parent says they earn y then...…. they double check with the HMRC and take what's required.
If you stop paying for whatever reason, it's just taken, or at least threatened.
I'm increasingly nervous that come August, I'll have to pay more legally to force/find out what the situation really is.
However post 18 YO I have no rights to know about their education, I'm hoping by then I'll have some sort of contact, would rather give the money to them direct once they're over 18.
I understand why you're nervous, the forced payment cost is eye watering so it's something I'd want to completely avoid too.
I know they're not easily contactable right now (or in usual times) but I'd be firing off emails asking to discuss it asap
I would be tempted to pay the Sept payment, just to avoid any rubbish.
If your daughter is doing something where your help would be useful, she's an adult at this point, and should be able to talk about it. Don't engage with her mother, especially not in a way that paints you as the Bad Person.
If your daughter is doing something where your help would be useful, she's an adult at this point, and should be able to talk about it. Don't engage with her mother, especially not in a way that paints you as the Bad Person.
Quickmoose said:
mm, that's not a bad shout, re: September. Thanks
Struggling to even find an email address....
Just to check when you say CSM do you mean CMS?Struggling to even find an email address....
I'm only aware of CSA and CMS?
My case has always been with the CMS, if you're with the CMS then login portal seems to be working.
Send a message through there, there's options like "Close your case" or "Report Change", I'd click on those as they're likely only to be looking at priority stuff (I would expect by now they would have significant homeworking capability, it is 3 months plus since lockdown started)
Also I've just found a section on Education that says the following:
Report a child is no longer in full time education
If your child is no longer in full-time education (up to and including A Level) we will need evidence to support your change in circumstances. For example, evidence can include a copy of their employment contract or details of their apprenticeship.
If you are reporting more than one child is no longer in education, you’ll need to report each one separately.
Perhaps you can use that as a prompt for them to provide evidence she is in education or they can give advice on how you get the info.
Personally when it comes to significant monthly payments I don't think trusting the word of an ex partner (regardless if it's amicable or not) is sufficient.
buymeabar said:
Important to note that it’s up to a levels and not onto university that’s counted.
If they stay in further education - which could include a number of college type provisions - then the liability doesn't stop until they hit 20.If the child moves into higher education at 18, it would stop then. If this is the case I would pay up until the end of August or September to be certain, as some have suggested.
It certainly requires the OP knowing exactly what sort of course/qualification the daughter has enrolled for, to be certain.
The cynic in me would broach the subject tactfully because if the daughter doesn’t have clear plans for higher education at this stage, and the mother is aware of the rules, it would be in her interests to push the daughter into enrolling into any old college course in September rather than seeking employment.
Edited by theboss on Monday 29th June 14:21
CMS yes...
That's my concern that 'any old course' might be suggested.
AFAIK if they enter employment, unemployment, or a degree, I cease
If they continue with education lesser than a degree, the I keep going....
Thanks for the "education" statement, I'll keep hold of that.
I think a payment on Sept 1st will be a key point.
And continual efforts to speak to someone within the department.
That's my concern that 'any old course' might be suggested.
AFAIK if they enter employment, unemployment, or a degree, I cease
If they continue with education lesser than a degree, the I keep going....
Thanks for the "education" statement, I'll keep hold of that.
I think a payment on Sept 1st will be a key point.
And continual efforts to speak to someone within the department.
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