When the police treat the victim as a criminal
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53394767
File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
davidball said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53394767
File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
It's that little man from Belgium again, on his favorite little hobby horse. Maybe it's time to leave it, along with yourself in the stable.File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
Shuvi McTupya said:
Drumroll said:
It's that little man from Belgium again, on his favorite little hobby horse. Maybe it's time to leave it, along with yourself in the stable.
I have read the article, and your comment.what does your comment mean??
A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
Johnnytheboy said:
Whenever this poster says anything about the police, the same old SPL regulars lay in to him on a personal basis, rather than engage with the topic.
A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
Thanks, but I am still confused. Are we talking about the OP, or the poster i responded too? I really have no bloody idea what is going on!A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
Drumroll said:
davidball said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53394767
File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
It's that little man from Belgium again, on his favorite little hobby horse. Maybe it's time to leave it, along with yourself in the stable.File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
Johnnytheboy said:
Whenever this poster says anything about the police, the same old SPL regulars lay in to him on a personal basis, rather than engage with the topic.
A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
The one thing I've noticed about the responses from the police, both serving and retired, is that they are varied and there is no circling of wagons where the police have been criticised. A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
However, one thing I've noticed about the responses from the police, both serving and retired, is that most have given up arguing with the OP as he doesn't listen, he doesn't balance his arguments, and they are often distorted.
Perhaps that is one reason they lay into him. Maybe they, in which I include myself, feel he just likes to attack the police.
If he replied to a reasoned and logical response then maybe (although given his history, it is unlikely for both him and the serving and ex police) there would be fewer attacks on him as a person.
davidball said:
Listen to the broadcast and be ashamed of the GMP officers who continually failed the victim.
Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
+1Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
davidball said:
Drumroll said:
davidball said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53394767
File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
It's that little man from Belgium again, on his favorite little hobby horse. Maybe it's time to leave it, along with yourself in the stable.File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
Besides even you couldn't p/ss on me from Belgium.
Drumroll said:
davidball said:
Drumroll said:
davidball said:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53394767
File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
It's that little man from Belgium again, on his favorite little hobby horse. Maybe it's time to leave it, along with yourself in the stable.File on 4 - Groomed, abused and put in prison: Rochdale's untold story will be broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday 14 July at 20:00 BST and repeated on Sunday 19 July at 17:00 BST.
Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
Besides even you couldn't p/ss on me from Belgium.
In terms of the subject, the failings around CSE are extremely poor. The Jay report makes for interesting reading of causality, and Bigends nicely highlights the strategic, government-led aims which contributed to some degree.
I've asked him plenty of questions around the topics he discusses. A recent example where I and ask a perfectly valid and reasonable question (which of course, he ignored):
Be specific.
Which laws that are relevant to those matters should be changed and how should they be?
He likes to drop start an anti-police thread and then repeats the same rubbish about 'immunity' and 'imbalances', and when asked for any degree of substance, he hides away from it. Johnnytheboy said:
Whenever this poster says anything about the police, the same old SPL regulars lay in to him on a personal basis, rather than engage with the topic.
A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
I think you'll find he refuses to engage with the topic. A bit like how plod all circle the wagons at the first sign of wrongdoing.
I've asked him plenty of questions around the topics he discusses. A recent example where I and ask a perfectly valid and reasonable question (which of course, he ignored):
La Liga said:
davidball said:
Whilst I applaud the work you did/do and am pleased that there are mechanisms in place to check that police are following the law. Does it help redress the inbalance in the law that allows those responsible for the tragedies like Jean Charles de Menezes, Anthony Grainger and Sean Fitzgerald go unpunished?
What imbalances in the law are you talking about? Be specific.
Which laws that are relevant to those matters should be changed and how should they be?
davidball said:
Listen to the broadcast and be ashamed of the GMP officers who continually failed the victim.
Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
To be fair the article quite clearly states the ACC from GMP is calling for the crimes of exploitation victims to be quashed so this is not a continuing failing as they seem to be actively seeking "justice" for them.Be more ashamed of the GMP officers who criminalized the victim.
Be ashamed of the CPS who did nothing to bring her abusers to justice.
Be ashamed of yourself for your crass indifference to the immense injustice done to the victim.
Know this, I would not urinate on you if you were on fire.
Despite what has gone on this has to be a positive if they are trying to rectify in part a mistake.
Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain of Greater Manchester Police told the BBC he thought while cases should be reviewed on an individual basis, now was the time for a wider, national debate in cases where young people may have been criminalised as a result of exploitation.
In relation to historical failures, he apologised to Daisy. He said there was no doubt she was a victim of horrendous abuse and exploitation and he accepted that the police response "could and should have been better".
"Our understanding [of these crimes] at the time wasn't as developed and our practice wasn't as improved as it is today.
"It's not an excuse... that's the reality of where we are."
He added that significant improvements had been made to the way child sexual exploitation is investigated and encouraged anyone with any concerns to please get in touch. "You will be supported and you will be heard.
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Thursday 16th July 09:35
In response to La Liga.
You misunderstand my intentions in highlighting the many incidents where police officers overstep their authority, misread incidents (often willfully) and fail to do their duty. A duty they chose and for which they are amply rewarded not least with a very advantageous pension that it is almost impossible to withhold from them even when they are sacked for misconduct.
I do not choose to engage in a debate with you or your ilk who I regard as slavish apologists for a policing system that is corrupt and can only be maintained by a cowardly justice system that gives anonymity and immunity from prosecution even to police officers who kill unarmed people who pose no threat.
The means of holding police officers to account for their actions (or inaction) is badly in need of reform and the best way to start that would be to remove the shield of anonymity and immunity they enjoy.
A good place to start would be for the Undercover Policing Inquiry to actually start work rather than acting as the agency for police anonymity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Policing_...
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-19794071/women-in-r...
You misunderstand my intentions in highlighting the many incidents where police officers overstep their authority, misread incidents (often willfully) and fail to do their duty. A duty they chose and for which they are amply rewarded not least with a very advantageous pension that it is almost impossible to withhold from them even when they are sacked for misconduct.
I do not choose to engage in a debate with you or your ilk who I regard as slavish apologists for a policing system that is corrupt and can only be maintained by a cowardly justice system that gives anonymity and immunity from prosecution even to police officers who kill unarmed people who pose no threat.
The means of holding police officers to account for their actions (or inaction) is badly in need of reform and the best way to start that would be to remove the shield of anonymity and immunity they enjoy.
A good place to start would be for the Undercover Policing Inquiry to actually start work rather than acting as the agency for police anonymity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Policing_...
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-19794071/women-in-r...
Edited by davidball on Thursday 16th July 11:36
davidball said:
In response to La Liga.
You misunderstand my intentions in highlighting the many incidents where police officers overstep their authority, misread incidents (often willfully) and fail to do their duty. A duty they chose and for which they are amply rewarded not least with a very advantageous pension that it is almost impossible to withhold from them even when they are sacked for misconduct.
I do not choose to engage in a debate with you or your ilk who I regard as slavish apologists for a policing system that is corrupt and can only be maintained by a cowardly justice system that gives anonymity and immunity from prosecution even to police officers who kill unarmed people who pose no threat.
The means of holding police officers to account for their actions (or inaction) is badly in need of reform and the best way to start that would be to remove the shield of anonymity and immunity they enjoy.
A good place to start would be for the Undercover Policing Inquiry to actually start work rather than acting as the agency for police anonymity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Policing_...
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-19794071/women-in-r...
But once again you go with questionable links. The BBC link is from nearly 10 years ago. Then you wonder why people don't take anything you post seriously.You misunderstand my intentions in highlighting the many incidents where police officers overstep their authority, misread incidents (often willfully) and fail to do their duty. A duty they chose and for which they are amply rewarded not least with a very advantageous pension that it is almost impossible to withhold from them even when they are sacked for misconduct.
I do not choose to engage in a debate with you or your ilk who I regard as slavish apologists for a policing system that is corrupt and can only be maintained by a cowardly justice system that gives anonymity and immunity from prosecution even to police officers who kill unarmed people who pose no threat.
The means of holding police officers to account for their actions (or inaction) is badly in need of reform and the best way to start that would be to remove the shield of anonymity and immunity they enjoy.
A good place to start would be for the Undercover Policing Inquiry to actually start work rather than acting as the agency for police anonymity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercover_Policing_...
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-19794071/women-in-r...
Edited by davidball on Thursday 16th July 11:36
davidball said:
You misunderstand my intentions in highlighting the many incidents where police officers overstep their authority, misread incidents (often willfully) and fail to do their duty. A duty they chose and for which they are amply rewarded not least with a very advantageous pension that it is almost impossible to withhold from them even when they are sacked for misconduct.
Your weird obsession is clear. Not sure why they’d lose their pension when that doesn’t happen in other walks of life. Always seems an odd argument to me.
davidball said:
I do not choose to engage in a debate with you or your ilk who I regard as slavish apologists for a policing system that is corrupt and can only be maintained by a cowardly justice system that gives anonymity and immunity from prosecution even to police officers who kill unarmed people who pose no threat.
Nice try. You choose not to because you can’t because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You like to write simplistic, generalised rubbish and when asked to back up or justify your assertions, you worm away.
davidball said:
The means of holding police officers to account for their actions (or inaction) is badly in need of reform and the best way to start that would be to remove the shield of anonymity and immunity they enjoy.
They don’t enjoy that. If they do cite an example and talk us though the specific process and laws which need reforming, why and how. You know, like people in the real world have to. People on the real world can’t just write vague generalisations.
davidball said:
A good place to start would be for the Undercover Policing Inquiry to actually start work rather than acting as the agency for police anonymity.
It has, can’t you use a search engine? bbc said:
"I got picked up so many times by the police... and it was always when I was out with adult men," she says.
"Even though I was kicking and screaming in the back [of the police van] saying 'he's hit me or he's raped me', I was always the one that got arrested. I was like, 'why are you not listening? What about them? I'm only a kid - why is it always me?'"
Calls to deport 'appalling grooming trio
'We should have listened to he broken teenagers'
One night in 2006, when she was just 14, a man became aggressive after she refused to have sex with him. She says they got into a fight and he hit her in the face. The police were called. That night it was Daisy who was arrested - and later convicted - of a public order offence. The man she accused of assaulting her walked free.
Another night - this time in 2007 - Daisy says she was burnt with a heated metal spoon as punishment for refusing to have sex with a man at a house party. When police arrived, she says they did not believe her version of events. Instead, when she became upset and disruptive, she was arrested and later convicted of disorderly behaviour. She still has a scar on her arm and as far as we know, the man who abused her was never investigated.
In other words she unsurprisingly kicked off, presumably the men managed to look like they were being attacked by a hysterical teenager when the police showed up. Result, she ends up in trouble as anything that happened before the police show up is 'he said/she said'. If the bloke is being calm and rational to the police, he'll get believed. Unfortunately easy to see from a safe distance how it came about, much harder to fix on the ground."Even though I was kicking and screaming in the back [of the police van] saying 'he's hit me or he's raped me', I was always the one that got arrested. I was like, 'why are you not listening? What about them? I'm only a kid - why is it always me?'"
Calls to deport 'appalling grooming trio
'We should have listened to he broken teenagers'
One night in 2006, when she was just 14, a man became aggressive after she refused to have sex with him. She says they got into a fight and he hit her in the face. The police were called. That night it was Daisy who was arrested - and later convicted - of a public order offence. The man she accused of assaulting her walked free.
Another night - this time in 2007 - Daisy says she was burnt with a heated metal spoon as punishment for refusing to have sex with a man at a house party. When police arrived, she says they did not believe her version of events. Instead, when she became upset and disruptive, she was arrested and later convicted of disorderly behaviour. She still has a scar on her arm and as far as we know, the man who abused her was never investigated.
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