police- was this a bit strange
police- was this a bit strange
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steveo3002

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11,205 posts

203 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?

Castrol for a knave

7,952 posts

120 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Did he have a Japanese peace lily on the passenger seat?

rev-erend

21,619 posts

313 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Back in the day, bobbies on the beat would talk to people and find out the local crimes.

Guess he was just acting innocent and doing the same.


Castrol for a knave

7,952 posts

120 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Serious answer, he's new to the area and wanted a local to give him a heads up as to where he needs to keep an eye on - eg where stolen cars get dumped, fly tipping etc. Sounds like good old fashioned coppering to me.

Someone on another thread will no doubt be moaning about how coppers never interreact and just drive around in their cars all day / sit in the canteen waiting for a shout / eat donuts in Subway.

Pieman68

4,292 posts

263 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Did he have a Japanese peace lily on the passenger seat?
Is the OP Mr P I Staker?

Bigends

6,155 posts

157 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Serious answer, he's new to the area and wanted a local to give him a heads up as to where he needs to keep an eye on - eg where stolen cars get dumped, fly tipping etc. Sounds like good old fashioned coppering to me.

Someone on another thread will no doubt be moaning about how coppers never interreact and just drive around in their cars all day / sit in the canteen waiting for a shout / eat donuts in Subway.
The officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking and what to keep an eye on. At least he stopped to speak to the OP, perhaps park up and get out of the car for a chat, during the course of which, the OP may have revealed a few titbits on the local area

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Bigends said:
Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Serious answer, he's new to the area and wanted a local to give him a heads up as to where he needs to keep an eye on - eg where stolen cars get dumped, fly tipping etc. Sounds like good old fashioned coppering to me.

Someone on another thread will no doubt be moaning about how coppers never interreact and just drive around in their cars all day / sit in the canteen waiting for a shout / eat donuts in Subway.
The officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking and what to keep an eye on. At least he stopped to speak to the OP, perhaps park up and get out of the car for a chat, during the course of which, the OP may have revealed a few titbits on the local area
This sums up the challenges the old bill face perfectly. They’re regularly criticised for not engaging with locals and not acting upon intelligence given by people actually from the area. When this one does he’s then criticised anyway.
On a separate note, you mention the officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking. How do you think that unit gets their intelligence? It’s surely bobbies like him gathering it.

steveo3002

Original Poster:

11,205 posts

203 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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can only imagine if i pointed towards the local caravan club , id be the one in the wrong

didnt even get out the car , just shouted over the road , wouldve made sense if he said do stolen cars get dumped here , or any drug dealers ,but just where should i look?

Fatball

645 posts

88 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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FFS. They just can’t win can they.

Greendubber

15,265 posts

232 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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sebdangerfield said:
Bigends said:
Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Serious answer, he's new to the area and wanted a local to give him a heads up as to where he needs to keep an eye on - eg where stolen cars get dumped, fly tipping etc. Sounds like good old fashioned coppering to me.

Someone on another thread will no doubt be moaning about how coppers never interreact and just drive around in their cars all day / sit in the canteen waiting for a shout / eat donuts in Subway.
The officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking and what to keep an eye on. At least he stopped to speak to the OP, perhaps park up and get out of the car for a chat, during the course of which, the OP may have revealed a few titbits on the local area
This sums up the challenges the old bill face perfectly. They’re regularly criticised for not engaging with locals and not acting upon intelligence given by people actually from the area. When this one does he’s then criticised anyway.
On a separate note, you mention the officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking. How do you think that unit gets their intelligence? It’s surely bobbies like him gathering it.
Bingo, not forgetting the majority of people dont call the police about every fly tip, out of place car or shifty bloke they see.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Bigends

6,155 posts

157 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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sebdangerfield said:
Bigends said:
Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Serious answer, he's new to the area and wanted a local to give him a heads up as to where he needs to keep an eye on - eg where stolen cars get dumped, fly tipping etc. Sounds like good old fashioned coppering to me.

Someone on another thread will no doubt be moaning about how coppers never interreact and just drive around in their cars all day / sit in the canteen waiting for a shout / eat donuts in Subway.
The officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking and what to keep an eye on. At least he stopped to speak to the OP, perhaps park up and get out of the car for a chat, during the course of which, the OP may have revealed a few titbits on the local area
This sums up the challenges the old bill face perfectly. They’re regularly criticised for not engaging with locals and not acting upon intelligence given by people actually from the area. When this one does he’s then criticised anyway.
On a separate note, you mention the officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking. How do you think that unit gets their intelligence? It’s surely bobbies like him gathering it.
When hes worked the area for a while then he'll start submitting intelligence. In the meantime, whilst new, he'll use whats already on the system and hopefully add to it. Hes not being criticised for stopping

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Bigends said:
sebdangerfield said:
Bigends said:
Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Serious answer, he's new to the area and wanted a local to give him a heads up as to where he needs to keep an eye on - eg where stolen cars get dumped, fly tipping etc. Sounds like good old fashioned coppering to me.

Someone on another thread will no doubt be moaning about how coppers never interreact and just drive around in their cars all day / sit in the canteen waiting for a shout / eat donuts in Subway.
The officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking and what to keep an eye on. At least he stopped to speak to the OP, perhaps park up and get out of the car for a chat, during the course of which, the OP may have revealed a few titbits on the local area
This sums up the challenges the old bill face perfectly. They’re regularly criticised for not engaging with locals and not acting upon intelligence given by people actually from the area. When this one does he’s then criticised anyway.
On a separate note, you mention the officer has an intelligence unit to tell him where he should be looking. How do you think that unit gets their intelligence? It’s surely bobbies like him gathering it.
When hes worked the area for a while then he'll start submitting intelligence. In the meantime, whilst new, he'll use whats already on the system and hopefully add to it. Hes not being criticised for stopping
He’ll start submitting it straight away or get bked. All police forces in the UK are intelligence led. Him only being in the job or area a short time doesn’t decrease the value of his intelligence.

Imagine if he didn’t submit something due to being new and it was a small part of a larger intelligence picture which was subsequently missed and caused further victims.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 September 10:37

Drezza

1,471 posts

83 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Sounds like good policing to me, too much social media nasty comment policing and not enough bobby on the beat stuff for my liking these days.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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steveo3002 said:
can only imagine if i pointed towards the local caravan club , id be the one in the wrong

didnt even get out the car , just shouted over the road , wouldve made sense if he said do stolen cars get dumped here , or any drug dealers ,but just where should i look?
But if he asks specific questions he may get specific answers. He could have asked you about cars being dumped and drug dealers and you may not have mentioned the chap who batters his Mrs every Sunday or the strange chap who seems to be drawn to young kids. He’s just kept the question open hoping to get you talking. Perhaps if he’d read that you had something to say he’d have got out his car and chatted. Had he got out his car and chatted directly you may be pissed that your neighbours now think you’re a snitch? He can’t act in a specific way that everyone wants, I think he was just doing the best to do his job which as it was around your area can only be a good thing :-)

carlove

7,907 posts

196 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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Pieman68 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Did he have a Japanese peace lily on the passenger seat?
Is the OP Mr P I Staker?
I’m sure it was all for the greater good.

egomeister

7,598 posts

292 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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sebdangerfield said:
steveo3002 said:
can only imagine if i pointed towards the local caravan club , id be the one in the wrong

didnt even get out the car , just shouted over the road , wouldve made sense if he said do stolen cars get dumped here , or any drug dealers ,but just where should i look?
But if he asks specific questions he may get specific answers. He could have asked you about cars being dumped and drug dealers and you may not have mentioned the chap who batters his Mrs every Sunday or the strange chap who seems to be drawn to young kids. He’s just kept the question open hoping to get you talking. Perhaps if he’d read that you had something to say he’d have got out his car and chatted. Had he got out his car and chatted directly you may be pissed that your neighbours now think you’re a snitch? He can’t act in a specific way that everyone wants, I think he was just doing the best to do his job which as it was around your area can only be a good thing :-)
Assuming the OP's description is accurate, the question was so vague you can't tell whether they are asking for tip offs for things to investigate or the best place locally for a coffee and donut. Faced with the same question I'd probably give a bewildered response too.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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egomeister said:
sebdangerfield said:
steveo3002 said:
can only imagine if i pointed towards the local caravan club , id be the one in the wrong

didnt even get out the car , just shouted over the road , wouldve made sense if he said do stolen cars get dumped here , or any drug dealers ,but just where should i look?
But if he asks specific questions he may get specific answers. He could have asked you about cars being dumped and drug dealers and you may not have mentioned the chap who batters his Mrs every Sunday or the strange chap who seems to be drawn to young kids. He’s just kept the question open hoping to get you talking. Perhaps if he’d read that you had something to say he’d have got out his car and chatted. Had he got out his car and chatted directly you may be pissed that your neighbours now think you’re a snitch? He can’t act in a specific way that everyone wants, I think he was just doing the best to do his job which as it was around your area can only be a good thing :-)
Assuming the OP's description is accurate, the question was so vague you can't tell whether they are asking for tip offs for things to investigate or the best place locally for a coffee and donut. Faced with the same question I'd probably give a bewildered response too.
Interesting. I feel that if a copper said to me, "I'm new to the area, any ideas where I should look?" id assume he was asking about baddies rather than coffee but great point non the less. Perhaps my positive outlook jades me.

Either way you can see from my explanation above as to why sometimes officers won't just strike up a conversation about what's going on in an area for fear of causing the recipient some issues with neighbours who witness it.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 September 11:26

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

199 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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egomeister said:
sebdangerfield said:
steveo3002 said:
can only imagine if i pointed towards the local caravan club , id be the one in the wrong

didnt even get out the car , just shouted over the road , wouldve made sense if he said do stolen cars get dumped here , or any drug dealers ,but just where should i look?
But if he asks specific questions he may get specific answers. He could have asked you about cars being dumped and drug dealers and you may not have mentioned the chap who batters his Mrs every Sunday or the strange chap who seems to be drawn to young kids. He’s just kept the question open hoping to get you talking. Perhaps if he’d read that you had something to say he’d have got out his car and chatted. Had he got out his car and chatted directly you may be pissed that your neighbours now think you’re a snitch? He can’t act in a specific way that everyone wants, I think he was just doing the best to do his job which as it was around your area can only be a good thing :-)
Assuming the OP's description is accurate, the question was so vague you can't tell whether they are asking for tip offs for things to investigate or the best place locally for a coffee and donut. Faced with the same question I'd probably give a bewildered response too.
Which part of "I am sorry, I do not understand what you are asking' is difficult to pronounce?

paintman

7,860 posts

219 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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sebdangerfield said:
egomeister said:
sebdangerfield said:
steveo3002 said:
can only imagine if i pointed towards the local caravan club , id be the one in the wrong

didnt even get out the car , just shouted over the road , wouldve made sense if he said do stolen cars get dumped here , or any drug dealers ,but just where should i look?
But if he asks specific questions he may get specific answers. He could have asked you about cars being dumped and drug dealers and you may not have mentioned the chap who batters his Mrs every Sunday or the strange chap who seems to be drawn to young kids. He’s just kept the question open hoping to get you talking. Perhaps if he’d read that you had something to say he’d have got out his car and chatted. Had he got out his car and chatted directly you may be pissed that your neighbours now think you’re a snitch? He can’t act in a specific way that everyone wants, I think he was just doing the best to do his job which as it was around your area can only be a good thing :-)
Assuming the OP's description is accurate, the question was so vague you can't tell whether they are asking for tip offs for things to investigate or the best place locally for a coffee and donut. Faced with the same question I'd probably give a bewildered response too.
Interesting. I feel that if a copper said to me, "I'm new to the area, any ideas where I should look?" id assume he was asking about baddies rather than coffee but great point non the less. Perhaps my positive outlook jades me.

Either way you can see from my explanation above as to why sometimes officers won't just strike up a conversation about what's going on in an area for fear of causing the recipient some issues with neighbours who witness it.

Edited by sebdangerfield on Tuesday 22 September 11:26
Going by the op's response he's probably now got him down as a local not interested in engaging.
Other locals may be more forthcoming & I think that's who he's trying to find.
Being new on a beat - regardless of your length of service - you've got to start somewhere & in the current climate people may not want someone just walking up to them.
Permanent beat officers who've worked a beat for years & have become known & trusted by the residents are IME one of the best sources of good quality information going.



matchmaker

9,040 posts

229 months

Tuesday 22nd September 2020
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carlove said:
Pieman68 said:
Castrol for a knave said:
steveo3002 said:
was out cleaning the car yesterday and a car pulls up , its a cop car , driver says "im new to the area , any ideas where i should look " gave him a bit of a blank look and he repeats it , i say nah "no idea" and off he goes

small rural village with no bother , surely the station has more info on hot spots etc , wondered if it was a veiled attempt at grass on your neighbours over the rule of 6 or something?
Did he have a Japanese peace lily on the passenger seat?
Is the OP Mr P I Staker?
I’m sure it was all for the greater good.
Maybe nobody tells him nothing.