Variable speed m25.
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Hi, just curious I was going through the m25 today and there was roadworks, on the gantries it has displayed 40mph, so I have slowed down in my lorry, after passing around 2 or 3 gantries displaying the limit, the 4th one didnt display nothing, however the one after that gone up to 50mph.
My question is if the gantry does not display any speed limit, is the camera set to national speed limit or is it set to the speed limit that was shown above on the gantry before (40mph) I kind of hate these variable speed limits because half of the time after roadworks the national speed limit is never displayed above the gantries and it leaves me uncertain whenever to speed up again or not.
My question is if the gantry does not display any speed limit, is the camera set to national speed limit or is it set to the speed limit that was shown above on the gantry before (40mph) I kind of hate these variable speed limits because half of the time after roadworks the national speed limit is never displayed above the gantries and it leaves me uncertain whenever to speed up again or not.
A similar question has come up before about an end of a reduced speed limit. I emailed Highways England about it. This was their response.
“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
Pica-Pica said:
A similar question has come up before about an end of a reduced speed limit. I emailed Highways England about it. This was their response.
“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
Right so from my understanding if the speed limit is not displayed on the gantry with the camera, the camera still operates at national speed limit.“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
Baaaartz said:
Pica-Pica said:
A similar question has come up before about an end of a reduced speed limit. I emailed Highways England about it. This was their response.
“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
Right so from my understanding if the speed limit is not displayed on the gantry with the camera, the camera still operates at national speed limit.“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
Pica-Pica said:
Baaaartz said:
Pica-Pica said:
A similar question has come up before about an end of a reduced speed limit. I emailed Highways England about it. This was their response.
“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
Right so from my understanding if the speed limit is not displayed on the gantry with the camera, the camera still operates at national speed limit.“ The simple answer to your question is that there should be an “End” or NSL signal displayed at the end of any reduced, variable speed limit. We are aware, however, that there are certain times and locations where this is not the case and our technical teams are working to apply a solution to resolve this issue.
From an enforcement point of view, the speed cameras can only enforce at either the speed limit displayed or, where no limit is displayed, the national speed limit and this would apply to the above scenario also.”
Make what you will of that in your situation.
This is one of those where yes, while what the highway office has said to the previous poster is sensible and correct, I still would stay on 40 until I came to 50 sign.
Lack of confidence in the system makes me feel that is the only way to relax and not have the sweats for two weeks waiting for a fine which, even if you are able to clear, just is not worth the hassle and stress for a few yards more at 40.
Lack of confidence in the system makes me feel that is the only way to relax and not have the sweats for two weeks waiting for a fine which, even if you are able to clear, just is not worth the hassle and stress for a few yards more at 40.
Technically, the (reduced) limit stays in place until changed or ended. But without a display of the limit to be part of the photographic evidence, enforcement
(of the reduced limit) doesn't take place. Although we have debated this a lot and obviously the lower limit can't be in place for ever if there are no signs to continue to show it.
Bert
(of the reduced limit) doesn't take place. Although we have debated this a lot and obviously the lower limit can't be in place for ever if there are no signs to continue to show it.
Bert
The blank gantry enforces NSL or doesn’t enforce at all if it’s malfunctioning. I think that because I have gone through blank gantries at higher speeds than posted previously and there was no flash. If there is a flash then there are cameras recording the speed limit displayed for evidence (HADEC3).
321boost said:
The blank gantry enforces NSL or doesn’t enforce at all if it’s malfunctioning. I think that because I have gone through blank gantries at higher speeds than posted previously and there was no flash. If there is a flash then there are cameras recording the speed limit displayed for evidence (HADEC3).
Yep, there is a camera that records what the sign is displaying when the camera is triggered. AFAIK this picture is included with the speed camera image.Those cameras are also a good early way to spot which VSL signs have speed cameras on.
The Welsh section of the M4 during its almost constant evening roadworks is terrible for inconsistent signs.
Like an end of limit sign, with the next gantry then showing all but the rightmost lane closed (and 40 on that)
Normally a red X should not just appear, there should be an arrow on the previous one to tell you to move over, but this section is terrible for not doing that.
There is so much mis information on the M25 with these signs. The MIDDAS system is so old now I`m not surprised.
It would be so easy if there was a number to call to report it but thats far too easy.
During lockdown it was displaying queue ahead and a speed limit - I was the only one of the sodding road !!!
It would be so easy if there was a number to call to report it but thats far too easy.
During lockdown it was displaying queue ahead and a speed limit - I was the only one of the sodding road !!!
Pica-Pica said:
QBee said:
Possibly it's because Welsh matrix sign operators struggle with reading instructions in English, as they are not used to vowels?
Ho, bloody, ho. How original.And there's more vowels in Welsh than English (Y and W) as well as so many different combinations of vowels...
Plymo said:
Pica-Pica said:
QBee said:
Possibly it's because Welsh matrix sign operators struggle with reading instructions in English, as they are not used to vowels?
Ho, bloody, ho. How original.And there's more vowels in Welsh than English (Y and W) as well as so many different combinations of vowels...
And not to forget the acute, agrave accents, and diaresis (such as ï)
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