Speed enforcement via a dashcam report
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Maybe coming soon according to Detective chief superintendent Andy Cox
https://twitter.com/andycoxdcs/status/133889268661...
https://twitter.com/andycoxdcs/status/133889268661...
DCS Cocks needs something better to do.
I'm sure the Police can't wait to be swamped with thousands of videos from wannabe armchair speed enforcing w
kers sending in videos of a "yoof" doing 37 in a 30.
Defense barristers will be rubbing their hands at this and it sounds like Cocks just wants another string to his st bow. Must be a promotion board coming up.
I'm sure the Police can't wait to be swamped with thousands of videos from wannabe armchair speed enforcing w
kers sending in videos of a "yoof" doing 37 in a 30.Defense barristers will be rubbing their hands at this and it sounds like Cocks just wants another string to his s
t bow. Must be a promotion board coming up.un1corn said:
DCS Cocks needs something better to do.
I'm sure the Police can't wait to be swamped with thousands of videos from wannabe armchair speed enforcing wkers sending in videos of a "yoof" doing 37 in a 30.
Defense barristers will be rubbing their hands at this and it sounds like Cocks just wants another string to his st bow. Must be a promotion board coming up.
Whilst not agreeing with every word of this, I can't help but feel sympathy for the sentiment. I have an intense dislike specifically for the mentality of those wishing to see others in trouble, and the seemingly quick spreading disease of dashcam abusing do gooders who spend more time analysing others actions than paying attention to their own shortcomings as people and drivers.I'm sure the Police can't wait to be swamped with thousands of videos from wannabe armchair speed enforcing w
kers sending in videos of a "yoof" doing 37 in a 30.Defense barristers will be rubbing their hands at this and it sounds like Cocks just wants another string to his s
t bow. Must be a promotion board coming up.La Liga said:
vonhosen said:
La Liga said:
Odd ‘portfolio’ for a DSupt to have.
What, National lead for fatal collision investigations?I thought detectives did crime, not traffic.
Graveworm said:
La Liga said:
vonhosen said:
La Liga said:
Odd ‘portfolio’ for a DSupt to have.
What, National lead for fatal collision investigations?I thought detectives did crime, not traffic.
The types picked last at school for teams.
this sort of st needs to be challenged under data protection laws; if a dash cam is being used as a surveillance tool then the operators should be complying with the following 12 guiding principles:
1. Use of a surveillance camera system must always be for a specified purpose which is in pursuit of a legitimate aim and necessary to meet an identified pressing need.
2. The use of a surveillance camera system must take into account its effect on individuals and their privacy, with regular reviews to ensure its use remains justified.
3. There must be as much transparency in the use of a surveillance camera system as possible, including a published contact point for access to information and complaints.
4. There must be clear responsibility and accountability for all surveillance camera system activities including images and information collected, held and used.
5. Clear rules, policies and procedures must be in place before a surveillance camera system is used, and these must be communicated to all who need to comply with them.
6. No more images and information should be stored than that which is strictly required for the stated purpose of a surveillance camera system, and such images and information should be deleted once their purposes have been discharged.
7. Access to retained images and information should be restricted and there must be clearly defined rules on who can gain access and for what purpose such access is granted; the disclosure of images and information should only take place when it is necessary for such a purpose or for law enforcement purposes.
8. Surveillance camera system operators should consider any approved operational, technical and competency standards relevant to a system and its purpose and work to meet and maintain those standards.
9. Surveillance camera system images and information should be subject to appropriate security measures to safeguard against unauthorised access and use.
10. There should be effective review and audit mechanisms to ensure legal requirements, policies and standards are complied with in practice, and regular reports should be published.
11. When the use of a surveillance camera system is in pursuit of a legitimate aim, and there is a pressing need for its use, it should then be used in the most effective way to support public safety and law enforcement with the aim of processing images and information of evidential value.
12. Any information used to support a surveillance camera system which compares against a reference database for matching purposes should be accurate and kept up to date.
t needs to be challenged under data protection laws; if a dash cam is being used as a surveillance tool then the operators should be complying with the following 12 guiding principles: 1. Use of a surveillance camera system must always be for a specified purpose which is in pursuit of a legitimate aim and necessary to meet an identified pressing need.
2. The use of a surveillance camera system must take into account its effect on individuals and their privacy, with regular reviews to ensure its use remains justified.
3. There must be as much transparency in the use of a surveillance camera system as possible, including a published contact point for access to information and complaints.
4. There must be clear responsibility and accountability for all surveillance camera system activities including images and information collected, held and used.
5. Clear rules, policies and procedures must be in place before a surveillance camera system is used, and these must be communicated to all who need to comply with them.
6. No more images and information should be stored than that which is strictly required for the stated purpose of a surveillance camera system, and such images and information should be deleted once their purposes have been discharged.
7. Access to retained images and information should be restricted and there must be clearly defined rules on who can gain access and for what purpose such access is granted; the disclosure of images and information should only take place when it is necessary for such a purpose or for law enforcement purposes.
8. Surveillance camera system operators should consider any approved operational, technical and competency standards relevant to a system and its purpose and work to meet and maintain those standards.
9. Surveillance camera system images and information should be subject to appropriate security measures to safeguard against unauthorised access and use.
10. There should be effective review and audit mechanisms to ensure legal requirements, policies and standards are complied with in practice, and regular reports should be published.
11. When the use of a surveillance camera system is in pursuit of a legitimate aim, and there is a pressing need for its use, it should then be used in the most effective way to support public safety and law enforcement with the aim of processing images and information of evidential value.
12. Any information used to support a surveillance camera system which compares against a reference database for matching purposes should be accurate and kept up to date.
MDUBZ said:
this sort of st needs to be challenged under data protection laws; if a dash cam is being used as a surveillance tool then the operators should be complying with the following 12 guiding principles:
1. Use of a surveillance camera system must always be for a specified purpose which is in pursuit of a legitimate aim and necessary to meet an identified pressing need.
2. The use of a surveillance camera system must take into account its effect on individuals and their privacy, with regular reviews to ensure its use remains justified.
3. There must be as much transparency in the use of a surveillance camera system as possible, including a published contact point for access to information and complaints.
4. There must be clear responsibility and accountability for all surveillance camera system activities including images and information collected, held and used.
5. Clear rules, policies and procedures must be in place before a surveillance camera system is used, and these must be communicated to all who need to comply with them.
6. No more images and information should be stored than that which is strictly required for the stated purpose of a surveillance camera system, and such images and information should be deleted once their purposes have been discharged.
7. Access to retained images and information should be restricted and there must be clearly defined rules on who can gain access and for what purpose such access is granted; the disclosure of images and information should only take place when it is necessary for such a purpose or for law enforcement purposes.
8. Surveillance camera system operators should consider any approved operational, technical and competency standards relevant to a system and its purpose and work to meet and maintain those standards.
9. Surveillance camera system images and information should be subject to appropriate security measures to safeguard against unauthorised access and use.
10. There should be effective review and audit mechanisms to ensure legal requirements, policies and standards are complied with in practice, and regular reports should be published.
11. When the use of a surveillance camera system is in pursuit of a legitimate aim, and there is a pressing need for its use, it should then be used in the most effective way to support public safety and law enforcement with the aim of processing images and information of evidential value.
12. Any information used to support a surveillance camera system which compares against a reference database for matching purposes should be accurate and kept up to date.
Those are taken from these 'Codes of practise' - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...t needs to be challenged under data protection laws; if a dash cam is being used as a surveillance tool then the operators should be complying with the following 12 guiding principles: 1. Use of a surveillance camera system must always be for a specified purpose which is in pursuit of a legitimate aim and necessary to meet an identified pressing need.
2. The use of a surveillance camera system must take into account its effect on individuals and their privacy, with regular reviews to ensure its use remains justified.
3. There must be as much transparency in the use of a surveillance camera system as possible, including a published contact point for access to information and complaints.
4. There must be clear responsibility and accountability for all surveillance camera system activities including images and information collected, held and used.
5. Clear rules, policies and procedures must be in place before a surveillance camera system is used, and these must be communicated to all who need to comply with them.
6. No more images and information should be stored than that which is strictly required for the stated purpose of a surveillance camera system, and such images and information should be deleted once their purposes have been discharged.
7. Access to retained images and information should be restricted and there must be clearly defined rules on who can gain access and for what purpose such access is granted; the disclosure of images and information should only take place when it is necessary for such a purpose or for law enforcement purposes.
8. Surveillance camera system operators should consider any approved operational, technical and competency standards relevant to a system and its purpose and work to meet and maintain those standards.
9. Surveillance camera system images and information should be subject to appropriate security measures to safeguard against unauthorised access and use.
10. There should be effective review and audit mechanisms to ensure legal requirements, policies and standards are complied with in practice, and regular reports should be published.
11. When the use of a surveillance camera system is in pursuit of a legitimate aim, and there is a pressing need for its use, it should then be used in the most effective way to support public safety and law enforcement with the aim of processing images and information of evidential value.
12. Any information used to support a surveillance camera system which compares against a reference database for matching purposes should be accurate and kept up to date.
Note these are for authorities only and don't apply to the general public with a dash cam. A dash cam is not surveillance, it's for protection however it it captures an offence, it could be used as evidence for said offence.
I've watched the odd dash-cam Youtube vid and many of the submitted videos show the camera car driver is actually the d*ck, especially around mini roundabouts. People just need to ease off a touch, anticipate and chill!
The GDPR aspect for PERSONAL dash-cams are a not an issue as they are outside the above quoted rules/regs and OK to use in UK. But VERY different if there is ANY business use (taxis, company car etc), or you share the car with others https://dpnetwork.org.uk/dashcams-gdpr-privacy-imp...
Ireland has some weird greyness going on(!) around insurers encouraging dash-cam use.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/q-a-...
FOR us in the UK - WHICH has a pretty good summary of the situation in the UK.
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/dash-cams/article/...
You may also have also noticed that when getting your car serviced these days there is something on your booking saying you must 'disconnect any dash-cams' for the security and privacy of staff, hmmmmm?
In Europe (although we can't go there soon
) it is a patchwork, the main that don't like 'em are;
•France and Belgium – dash cams are restricted to “private use” only.
•In France, recorded evidence must only be sent directly to the police.
•In Germany, it’s illegal to upload dash cam footage to social media unless faces and car number plates have been obscured.
•And in a few countries – such as Austria and Portugal – dash cam use is completely banned.
Over in Germany which has very strict laws on privacy and data protection even pre GDPR, dash-cams are sort of/pretty much illegal, however it has been ruled by the BGH* they can be used as evidence in court!
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-germany-trial-pr...
"German law forbids continuous filming in public places, which means that drivers are not allowed to leave their dash-cams running for hours at a time."
“It is technically possible to create a short recording of an accident itself, for instance by continuously overwriting what is being recorded but only saving it permanently when an accident happens,”
(BGH) Germany's Federal Court of Justice
The GDPR aspect for PERSONAL dash-cams are a not an issue as they are outside the above quoted rules/regs and OK to use in UK. But VERY different if there is ANY business use (taxis, company car etc), or you share the car with others https://dpnetwork.org.uk/dashcams-gdpr-privacy-imp...
Ireland has some weird greyness going on(!) around insurers encouraging dash-cam use.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/q-a-...
FOR us in the UK - WHICH has a pretty good summary of the situation in the UK.
https://www.which.co.uk/reviews/dash-cams/article/...
You may also have also noticed that when getting your car serviced these days there is something on your booking saying you must 'disconnect any dash-cams' for the security and privacy of staff, hmmmmm?
In Europe (although we can't go there soon
) it is a patchwork, the main that don't like 'em are;•France and Belgium – dash cams are restricted to “private use” only.
•In France, recorded evidence must only be sent directly to the police.
•In Germany, it’s illegal to upload dash cam footage to social media unless faces and car number plates have been obscured.
•And in a few countries – such as Austria and Portugal – dash cam use is completely banned.
Over in Germany which has very strict laws on privacy and data protection even pre GDPR, dash-cams are sort of/pretty much illegal, however it has been ruled by the BGH* they can be used as evidence in court!
https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-germany-trial-pr...
"German law forbids continuous filming in public places, which means that drivers are not allowed to leave their dash-cams running for hours at a time."
“It is technically possible to create a short recording of an accident itself, for instance by continuously overwriting what is being recorded but only saving it permanently when an accident happens,”
(BGH) Germany's Federal Court of Justice
Edited by hoganscrogan on Thursday 17th December 09:21
Castrol for a knave said:
I expect it is not to prosecute some pimply youth doing 40 in a 30 in his Corsa. but where speed may be a factor in a major collision and there is dashcam footage.
Hopefully but remember when RIPA was introduced to help get terrorists, paedos and internet crims? Then used by councils to surveil and go after naughty bin people and families applying for places at schools.https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/17/council...
I narrowly avoided an accident a few weeks ago when I was approaching a junction from a minor road. A car turned off the main road and went the wrong side of the junction divider (or whatever you call it). Crappy MS paint drawing:-
I now have a dash cam in case something similar happens in the future. Does this make me a 'Dash Cam Warrior/wker'?
I now have a dash cam in case something similar happens in the future. Does this make me a 'Dash Cam Warrior/w
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